Talk:509th Operations Group

Opening comment

 * Assigned on: 21 March 1946
 * At: Roswell AAFld, NM
 * Equipment: B-29s:
 * Redesignated as: 509th Bomb Wing on 1 November 1947.

The 509th Composite Group was one of the first eleven organizations assigned to SAC and during World War II, established in the states and flew extensive training missions for some unknown mission. It was then assigned to the Twentieth Air Force in the Pacific and became the group that dropped the atomic bombs on Japan. At the time SAC was formed, the 509th Composite Group was the only unit to have experience with nuclear weapons. Many historians regard it as the foundation on which SAC was built.

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The addition of the B-29s is outstanding. Many thanx. Also, I think the last sentence of the above para, despite the weasel language, is a valuable addition to the article and have added it.--Buckboard 06:50, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

kudos!
This article is one of the best aviation aritcles i've read. Great job to all the Wiki editors who has contributed to it!! From referencing to layout, super! A nominiation for FA is most appropriate. LanceBarber 14:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Error on Bock's Car image
Image:Bockscar.gif The article correctly says that the only plane with noseart was Enola Gay at the time of the missions. Though this illustration would be accurate later, I get the impression it is meant to imply that this was what the plane looked like on the Nagasaki mission. Anynobody 23:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't add the image, and I don't believe that was ever the intent, but it's a point I hadn't considered. I will give this some thought and correct the impression.--Buckboard 06:34, 9 September 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Buckboard (talk • contribs)

Split historical and current
I think 509th Operations Group should be split, moving the content on the historical 509 CG to a separate page, 509th Composite Group (currently a redirect here), and focusing this page on the current 509 OG. While the 509 OG traces its history to the 509 CG, the unit was inactive for 40 years between, and has a different name -- there's an inescapable discontinuity. We cannot adequately provide coverage of both organizations in one article. That will always do poorly for at least one organization, and likely both. For example: The infobox of the CG was a great at-a-glance reference, and was lost in recent edits -- but putting it back would loose the same benefit for the OG. If split, we can link back and forth between the two extensively, to provide the contextual and historical connections. — DragonHawk (talk|hist) 19:08, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Concur.   Thought about doing that when I revamped the article but didn't as it is the same unit.   However if there is a general agreement to do so I have no objection, as the 509th CG is of extreme significance and warrants its own article. Bwmoll3 (talk) 19:28, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Separation completed, 509th Composite Group now has its own article Bwmoll3 (talk) 23:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)