Talk:ABC Daytime/Archives/2017

ABC Daytime, Times Square Studios (division) & syndicated programs production
These sourced do indicated the merger of syndicated and daytime units and thus the daytime block:
 * The Wrap: "Going forward, the newly formed Times Square Studios — headed by Vicki Dummer — will oversee current entertainment programming and the development of new programming for ABC Daytime and Syndication."
 * Hollywood Reporter: "Dummer will preside over a new integrated current entertainment and programming division called Times Square Studios that will consolidate daytime and syndicated programming and development. The View, General Hospital, The Chew, The Revolution, Who Wants to Be a Millionaire and Katie Couric’s upcoming talk show will come under that umbrella." (Emphasis mine)
 * Variety: "The shakeup poses many questions about what sources describe as dysfunction inside ABC Daytime, which was folded into ABC’s entertainment division in 2011, and has a sparse plate that includes an upcoming Tyra Banks talk show, “The Chew” and “General Hospital.” One of the chief recent disappointments was Katie, the much-hyped Katie Couric 2012 talk show that hemorrhaged millions and was axed after two seasons." Katie was a syndicated program.


 * To say, 24.202.55.52 IP editor, "Once again, ABC Daytime is the programming block of the ABC network and does not include any syndicated programming such as Katie and Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. The "sourced information" doesn't even talk about the ABC Daytime programming block" and
 * edit summary at Time Squre Studios: "Times Square Studios was never ABC Daytime and the sources does not say it was either. ABCD has always been network programming and never included syndication"

are patently false. There is no way around it. Spshu (talk) 14:25, 21 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Additional sources:
 * TVNewsCheck: "In addition to her station duties, Campbell will now also oversee daytime programming — network and syndication, continuing to report to Ben Sherwood, president of the Disney/ABC Television Group." Text were emphasis added by me shows that Campbell's responsibility was the same as Times Square Studios: ABC Daytime and syndicated programming.
 * Also, the way the article is written is that it is about the ABC Daytime division not just the programming block. Spshu (talk) 13:20, 22 March 2017 (UTC)


 * No one is contesting that there was a consolidate of daytime and syndicated programming and development. That's not what is being disputed here. The issue is that you've decided from your will and without any consensus to get rid of the Times Square Studios article and to dump its content here when none of your own sources even support the idea that TSS was renamed ABC Daytime or that ABC Daytime is overseeing syndicated programs such as "Katie" or "Who wants to be a millionaire".


 * The Wrap says that a structure called Time Square Studios will overseas activities in a new division called Time Square Studios. That same article even mentions that ABC Daytime will be under Times Square Studios.


 *  Going forward, the newly formed Times Square Studios — headed by Vicki Dummer — will oversee current entertainment programming and the development of new programming for ABC Daytime and Syndication.


 * As we can see, it is Time Square Studios that is taking over all activities, ABC Daytime is just a component of Time Square Studios according to The Wrap.


 * 2) Hollywood Reporter, mimics the article of The Wrap, in that a new structure called Time Square Studio (not ABC Daytime) is taking over all daytime and syndication programming.


 * Dummer will preside over a new integrated current entertainment and programming division called Times Square Studios that will consolidate daytime and syndicated programming and development.


 * Again that reference makes no mention of ABC Daytime itself handling syndicated shows.


 * 3) TVNewsCheck does not even uses the terminology "ABC Daytime" at all in its article. Do a CTRL + F search for "ABC Daytime" on your computer keyboard and you will get no results. So how can you even declare that the structure overseeing daytime programming — network and syndication under Campbell is called "ABC Daytime".


 * 4) ABC Daytime's website was deleted around 2012/2013 and the programming block probably does not even exist anymore, much like NBC Daytime and CBS Daytime technically no longer exist. There is still a unit as of 2016 that oversees daytime networking and syndicated within ABC/Disney. But we don't know the name. It may still be called Times Square Studios. It may now be called ABC Daytime as you claim. It may be called something totally different. We don't know what the name is because none of the references  tell us what is exactly the name of this entity is. So why doing original research by interpreting that the new structure is called ABC Daytime when none of the references back this up. Wikipedia is about reporting information from reliable references that tells us exactly what a situation is. Wikipedia is not about making assumptions or going about what is the most likely scenario. Because anybody can have their own interpretation of an implicit content. 24.202.55.52 (talk) 14:21, 22 March 2017‎ ‎.
 * The issue is that you refuse to recognize sources and common usage. I direct point to article that do support that ABC Daytime does over see syndicated shows. The Variety expressly places the ABC Daytime in charge of syndicated shows: "The shakeup poses many questions about what sources describe as dysfunction inside ABC Daytime, which was folded into ABC’s entertainment division in 2011, and has a sparse plate that includes an upcoming Tyra Banks talk show, The Chew and General Hospital. One of the chief recent disappointments was Katie, the much-hyped Katie Couric 2012 talk show that hemorrhaged millions and was axed after two seasons." A reference in this article to Katie being a daytime department show: "A former senior-level ABC staffer who agreed to discuss the daytime department on the condition of anonymity recalls how Potkin, the executive who oversaw Katie, once lay flat on her back during a meeting with producers, telling them in panic:" Katie and the Tyra Banks talk show (FABLife) were syndicated programs. And the 2011 "folded into ABC" Entertainment Group was Time Square Studios's formation as ABC Daytime President Frons reported to Disney-ABC TV Group president while Time Square reported to ABC Entertainment Group president.
 * We know that Time Square Studios handle both the ABC daytime and syndicated programming as of 2011. And those same said programs were in the hands of ABC Daytime as of October 30, 2014 from the above Variety article. Also, follow the daytime-syndicated executives:
 * Drummer appoint to head Time Square Studios, a part of ABC Entertainment (The Wrap) 12/2011
 * Lisa Hackner "Telepictures veteran Lisa Hackner has joined ABC as EVP Daytime and Syndicated Programming, reporting to ABC Entertainment president Paul Lee. She will oversee unscripted daytime programming and syndicated development. ABC EVP Vicki Dummer, who has been overseeing all daytime programming in addition to serving as head of current, will continue to be in charge of ABC’s unscripted(sic) daytime lineup (i.e. General Hospital) in addition to her current duties."
 * Campbell appointment pushed out Lisa Hackner
 * TVNewsCheck does not even have to use the terminology "ABC Daytime" as it has the same responsibility daytime programming - network and syndication, includes the same programs.
 * Even if it is still Time Square Studios or some other name, media is still commonly using ABC Daytime name as per the Variety article. Spshu (talk) 18:38, 22 March 2017 (UTC)

This Page Doesn't need History section
Why does this page doesn't need a for 2 reasons

1. CBS and NBC's Daytime articles have no history sections so it makes no sense

2. ABC Daytime existed Long Before Brian Fons became the head so that section needs expansion or deletion Digifan23 (talk) 20:26, 9 August 2017 (UTC)