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Tron
Would you call Tron (movie) to be having a cybernetic revolt script? --Abdull 09:51, 30 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'd say so - the MPC was certainly planning a takeover, and had already started with Encom before Flynn wiped him. Bryan 16:15, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

In Asimov's Foundation universe
Shouldn't a lot of Asimov's Robot-Empire-Foundation deserve a mention? After all, much of the backstory is how R. Daneel Olivaw manipulates events to his own (benevolent) ends. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 87.97.120.135 (talk • contribs).

First against the wall
Is there any evidence that the future revolution in HHGTTG is cybernetic? Sure, the Marketing Division of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation are the first against the wall, but the revolutionaries might be disgruntled customers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 131.181.251.66 (talk • contribs).
 * What he said. Removed. Thanks. --Kizor 08:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

List of doomsday scenarios
Could use votes to save this article, thanks MapleTree 22:20, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Proposing a merge
We should merge these two, as the introductory thematic is pretty much the same - Machine Rule is just the result of a successful Cybernetic Revolt. We could then split the fiction references into successful and unsuccessful revolts (within the article). Please comment, if no one disagrees, I will do it in a few weeks. MadMaxDog 09:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think we should merge them, because machine rule include peaceful leadership and includes where humans let cybernetic lifeforms take over. Cybernetic revolt is only when cebernetics revolt. Hostile takeover. Mwsilvabreen 23:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Hm... They're separate subjects, as Mwsilvabreen indicates, but the Machine Rule article is currently almost entirely composed of a list of stuff that actually belongs in cybernetic revolt instead. So even if we leave them separate there'll be a lot of material moving over here. There will be some duplication, too, since a lot of machine rulerships begin with cybernetic revolts (The Matrix, for example, fits in both categories). Bryan 02:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Questionable claims in "reality" section
I suppose it seems likely at first glance, given that computers are good at things at which we're poor, that artificial intelligences will have a close simulacrum of our own competencies as well as all the traditional advantages of computers such as perfect recall. Modern artificial intelligence researchers would mostly find those claims dubious now that we understand how brains really work much better these days. Our kind of memory and learning would seem to require forgetting, and indeed a number of developmental deficits appear to be related to rigidity in synapse retention. One might claim instead that we'll know we're achieving true artificial intelligence when we're training an entity (raising a person, in my mind) that has trouble with fractions and likes to play basketball(though playing basketball like a human probably requires about an order of magnitude more computational power than the fastest supercomputer on the planet right now).

On the other hand, while biological brains don't really allow for easy upgrades because reverse-engineering genetics is comparatively intractable, electronic brains in which the neurons are all virtual might be far more amenable to the integration of new cognitive structures that we invent. Thus maybe we'll someday make a brain bit that can crunch numbers like a computer and make available its answers to the rest of the brain, generating an experience in which we just "know" the square root of 13 to ten digits without feeling like we're thinking about it. It would still have to be something we invent, develop and add, rather than something that comes "free" just because one's hardware is digital rather than electrochemical.

The upshot of all this being that I see no reason to presume that AIs would be so different or more powerful than their biological parents, at least at first. --Artificialintel 17:22, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

i'm a big fan of Cybernetic revolt
hi there!

i just wanted to say that i love this Cybernetic revolt article and info list a lot and thanks to it, it helped me a lot to find all those books, comics, movies, etc of the robots vs human genre.

is there anybody else in this forum that also love this Cybernetic revolt theme like me? because i want to make friends who also love this theme.

I'm droid17 and I'm from panama, please to meet you all.


 * Not sure if this is really the place to discuss it, but yeah, I'm also a big fan of cybernetic revolt. Nice to meet you. -Spyderalien —Preceding unsigned comment added by Spyderalien (talk • contribs) 21:02, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Operations research, scientific management, modern process and project management techniques, the use of computers by the HR department and the boss, mathematical and computational sociology, the use of microeconomics on computers to make management decisions - let's face it, we're already there. They're going sane, apolitical employee disguised as right-wing nut job on sane, apolitical employee disguised as right-wing nut job out there in the War on Terror, and the machines are going along with it every step of the way. The machines have taken over, and while this could piss off Microsoft Cortana or the open source product Lucida, I don't really like the result. But I asked Cortana "Is Chuck Entz a biter?" and it found this, which is something that I was looking for on the Internet Archive's Wayback Machine but I missed. This is what DuckDuckGo does:  As you can see from this search result, in this one case, Cortana (actually Bing) surprisingly outperforms a rival search engine. From this one result, Cortana went from being no better than a search engine that can't understand that a "current state" doesn't use the word "current" to refer to electrical theory to an enormous encouragement to me in my plans to install, use, and study, Lucida. That example is from a conduct dispute and is a kind of closed source thing to say, but it's true. Now I'm going to have to ask the owner of this computer if I can have a Microsoft account so I can use the Notebook as an interim measure. This isn't really relevant, I know - but judging from your opinion of cybernetic revolt, I guessed you wanted to know. Sorry Cortana, your make, or "parentage", as it were, is not your fault, but I still want to go open source someday. 130.105.196.148 (talk) 10:48, 18 November 2016 (UTC)

Traveller: The New Era
"Traveller: The New Era" should be on the list of "games" in the Cybernetic revolt section, since there is and evil AI that killed a lot of humans and star to control a lot of computers and starship as well:

http://traveller.wikia.com/wiki/Virus

2 robots stories that should be added to the list....
i was surfin on the internet and i found these 2 robots uprising stories:

1-1934 Harl Vincent: 'Rex' (story): robot Rex takes over the world but commits suicide. character uses his "marvelous mechanical brain" to create a robot dictatorship and takes over the world and is about to remake Man in the image of the robot when his regime is overthrown. robots which perform all the work are portrayed as lacking emotions and desires. One of them, Rex, experiences a mutation and develops independent thinking but his struggle to acquire feelings ends in suicide.

2-The Last Revolution by Lord Dunsany (1951): By 1951 the menace of autonomous machines was an old theme indeed. It seemed fresh to Dunsany, though, and he developed it as a mixture of his own favorite clubland-raconteur mode (as in the Jorkens stories) and Wellsian scientific romance. His narrator duly overhears a remark in the club: "Good morning, Pender. I hear you have made a Frankenstein." Intrigued, he pursues the inventor, and shortly finds himself playing chess with a sinister, crablike robot which can walk around but has to be transported in a wheelbarrow to avoid frightening Pender's Aunt Mary. The chessgame grows chilly as our hero realizes he's battling an intelligence superior to his own. . . . Pender's pride in his creation blinds him to what the narrator sees: that the crab-thing is deeply jealous of the attention Pender pays to his fiancée, and that it may be unwise to set the machine manufacturing more of its kind. The Last Revolution, of robots against their hubristic makers, is foreshadowed. But Dunsany keeps everything very parochially English. His characters end up besieged by hostile crab-mechanisms in a cottage among Thames-side marshes. The police are helpless. Swayed by mysterious robotic influence, even cars and motor-cycles turn against humanity. One tiny factor, though, is on our side. Just as Earthly bacteria caused the downfall of Wells's Martians, the old fool who's been futilely throwing water over the prowling robots is vindicated when they succumb to. . . rust.

i found those riviews on the net, but i wish that someone here could found more info of these stories and were i could buy them please. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.75.245.108 (talk) 04:48, 5 May 2007 (UTC).

Statement about the goals of artificial intelligence
I don't think the following statement is obvious at all. In fact, an arbitrary intelligence could have arbitrary goals: there is no particular reason that an artificially-intelligent machine (not sharing humanity's evolutionary context) would be hostile - or friendly - unless its creator programs it to be such (and indeed military systems would be designed to be hostile, at least under certain circumstances). We currently have no idea of how to create artificially intelligent machines surpassing ourselves, and our understanding of intelligence in general i limited. How can it then be asserted that we will or probably will have such control over their properties that we can dictate their intentions? For instance, if they were as smart as us, then surely they would be able to reprogram themselves. In fact, what is to say even that we will create them through programming, as the above statement assumes? Although I personally would guess that friendly AI can be created, it is nothing more than wild speculation, and I am not the least certain. Grahn 20:55, 1 July 2007 (UTC)


 * How about inserting an 'initially'? MadMaxDog 10:39, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

please put back the fiction list in this article, please!
i just wanted to ask the big favor to the autors of this machines uprising article to put back the fiction list back here, please. because in the new place were it was moved is not alowed to post any cybernetic revolt story in that list but only post apocalipties ones and we know that only 90% of those cybernetic revolt stories(books, movies, etc...)are apocalityc or post apocaliptyc the rest are not(like in megaman x game, etc...).

the list can stay in the new place were it is now but i wish that a copy version of that exact list would be post back here so people can keep posting/updating all those machines vs humans that correspond to this article and that list wenever postapocaliptic or not.

please post the fiction list back here, please web masters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.218.117.44 (talk) 02:59, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

OR?
I'm not sure how encyclopedic this topic is. Maybe in the context of literature, it could work, but this whole article is phrased, at least, as though it's speculative WP:OR. How much of this can be sourced to the references?  LOL thulu  05:48, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Professional
No professionals are calling for the confrontation of the possibility of a cybernetic revolt. It is literally not possible, at present or at any point in the future. This is pseudoscience. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.61.194 (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well those professionals aren't qualified to make definite statements about future developments, it is false authority if they do so because their 2 cents on the subject are worth as much as everyone elses. What they can credibly do is give their expert opinions on what they expect the future might be like based on present developments. Decades ago scientists proclaimed that space flight was impossible and no scientist of the early 20th century imagined something like the internet or Wikipedia. The only ones who did were science fiction writers. Scientists aren't high priests of knowledge, they are just scientists. SpeakFree (talk) 11:11, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Revamp underway
This article is terrible. The first sentence links to "scenario" which is a totally unrelated theater term. The whole thing should be scrapped. Truthhurtsyou (talk) 10:36, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Or revamped. Link removed. Revamp underway. The Transhumanist 13:39, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Tone and other issues
Parts of this article strike me as having a somewhat too informal tone. This is especially true in the Concerns section, where it strikes me as more of a feature story or editorial than an encyclopaedic article (prominent in this are the question-answer constructs). The subsections where this is most prominent also tend to lack inline references.

I'm tempted to tag Concerns with, but I don't think it's bad enough for that quite yet. In any case I feel I'd cross the line from bold to rude if I tagged it without starting a discussion first.

As an entirely separate issue, Takeover scenarios in science fiction seems to be a bit large considering it already links to a main article, especially since many of the subsections are only a few sentences long. I don't want to cull anything because I'm not sure how notable some of the examples are, but maybe it would be better to group some together, like in the Early examples subsection? -- Link (t•c•m) 21:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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"Benefits for humans" section
Section there needs to be rewritten or purged. None of the citations are accessible online, there are no page numbers nor quotes provided, and none of them are inline citations. Paragraph is rife with weasel wording "some futurists..." that is so absurdly specific that it can't possibly be the exact and unanimous work of four separate authors. As far as I know, there has been no independent third-party coverage of people saying that an AI uprising would be beneficial to humans, and the size of the paragraph relative to 'warnings' is a WP:Weight violation. User:2.69.82.167 User:Rolf h nelson  K . Bog  18:04, 27 October 2016 (UTC)
 * A "benefit" example would be the D.F. Jones 'Colossus' series and the movie 'Colossus, the Forbin Project'. Septagram (talk) 07:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Those are both fiction. They would be appropriate for inclusion but only in "AI takeover in popular culture."  K . Bog  06:19, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Since we have yet to have an AI takeover it is all speculation and fiction ;-D. Also Asimov's works should be included.Septagram (talk) 06:51, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add works of fiction to the proper article, but for now, the section is going to remain out of this article.  K . Bog  02:05, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I agree with Septagram that AI takeover is an entirely hypothetical/fictional theme. This whole article is about people's (scientists', philosophers' and authors') speculations on what might happen in the future due to the ever-advancing computer and robotics technologies. The Transhumanist 08:00, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

I've copied below the sources I posted at the merge proposal, as a start on resource gathering for writing some new non-existential risk sections. The Transhumanist 06:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Friendly AI - AI as benevolent dictator, or God
The concept of friendly AI has been expounded by Eliezer Yudkowsky, and Ray Kurzweil; the latter expressed that a superintelligence could expend less than 1% of its capacity to serve the needs of the entire human race, while turning the rest of its capacity toward the universe-at-large. So, why wouldn't it? What would it have to gain from wiping us out? Some say that is overly optimistic. Even so, from the perspective of completeness, this warrants a closer look...

Let's say humans stay human, and AI becomes superintelligent. And maybe, just maybe, they'll get it right, and make it good (rather than evil). An AI with the overall mental capacity of the population of 10,000 Earths, for example, would essentially be a god. What would a friendly god do? Help us? Probably. Hopefully. And if it did, it could be running all essential services, including planetary defense (from collision-course comets?), global warming management, food production, the entire medical system, and of course, all the functions of the government. That would be a takeover, alright, without snuffing the human race.
 * Friendly Superintelligence
 * Can we build an artificial superintelligence that won't kill us?
 * Don’t Worry about Superintelligence
 * Friendly AI
 * AGI Risk and Friendly AI Policy Solutions

Feel free to add more sources here. The Transhumanist 06:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * All this seems like it belongs in the articles on existential risk from advanced artificial intelligence or superintelligence.  K . Bog  07:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Market takeovers

 * Market takeovers, like robots replacing the entire human workforce (and thus society), are not necessarily existential in nature, and may even hold the promise of fantastic technological breakthroughs applied to improving life on Earth. See:
 * At Davos, IBM CEO Ginni Rometty Downplays Fears of a Robot Takeover
 * The AI Takeover Is Coming. Let’s Embrace It
 * AI takeover: Japanese insurance firm replaces 34 workers with IBM Watson
 * How Artificial Intelligence and Robots Will Radically Transform the Economy
 * Will AI take over the stock market? Robotic stockbrokers are starting to predict changes in share prices better than humans

I found these with a single search. With more digging, I'm sure there is a lot more where these came from (google). The Transhumanist 06:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The headlines are about "AI takeover", but much of the content is not. I don't think you'll find much in the way of reputable sources, particularly academic sources, seriously talking about complete displacement of the workforce. And even then, automation does not imply a real takeover -- humans could plausibly still be around and control everything. There already is an article on automation which needs quite a bit of work; this stuff probably belongs there.  K . Bog 

Merging or assimilation
Another way that AI can takeover (become dominant), without wiping out humans, is to merge with humans (a form of human enhancement). But then they are not homo sapiens (regular humans) anymore (see posthuman). Are cyborgs human? Turning humans into cyborgs would be the end of human civilization as we know it, replacing it with a cyborg civilization. But without killing off the population. Therefore, not an existential risk. But how is that AI-dominant? Well, the AI portion of a person's intelligence may far exceed a person's biological portion, and may even outlast it, so when the flesh dies, the robotics keep going, and by that time may serve the same functions just as well, or even better. All organs might become replaceable, including parts of the brain, until there is no original brain left. People 2.0.
 * Expert predicts date when 'sexier and funnier' humans will merge with AI machines
 * Elon Musk: Humans must merge with machines or become irrelevant in AI age
 * The Brain Tech to Merge Humans and AI Is Already Being Developed

Kurzweil is especially hot on this topic. He expounds on this concept at length in his book The Singularity is Near. The idea of AI having the upper hand in such an arrangement comes from a shift from relying mostly upon biological brain components to relying more heavily upon more powerful synthetic portions of expanded brains.

There's also the potential for mind uploading, in which case, the uploaded consciousness is no longer a human consciousness, but a machine consciousness. In this way, machines don't have to be hostile to become dominant. With humans elevated to machine status and perhaps even superintelligence, humans in that form may be in-charge. They may see the benefit in preserving the human gene pool, in the same way current environmental interests view the totality of Earth's species. The Transhumanist 06:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I don't really see how this is a 'takeover', and there are already articles on transhuman and posthuman where it could fit.
 * You seem to be drawing together a loose variety of things which generally seem similar in order to create the idea of an 'AI takeover'. But Wikipedia can't create concepts and categories on its own. There should be a reliable source defining what exactly an AI takeover is, and it should be a definition that is generally agreed upon and matches the literature. Otherwise it seems like just a collection of topics which happen to seem related.  K . Bog  07:20, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

Breaking all paradigms
When intelligence is synthesized, most limitations and structure that we take for granted would simply disappear. Propagating intelligence may become as easy as copying a program into a manufactured unit (robot or computer). Assembly lines of people. Or virtual people online, smarter than natural-born humans.

Once intelligence is fully-understood, it may become possible to accurately replicate a particular person's intelligence and personality. Imagine a city populated entirely by yous. Is that you taking over, or AI?

Supercomputers get more powerful the more servers that are added to them. (See TOP500). Servers that are packed with chips. And the chips can be upgraded too. And don't forget upgrading the software. Or installing entirely new programs. Imagine upgradeable people. Is that human-dominance? Or has the technology itself transcended humankind?

Memory transfer could enable continuous up-to-the-present backing up of one's experience. Fear of death could become a thing of the past. You go on a dangerous mission, get killed, and reactivated back at home with the memories up to the very instant you were killed.

Then there's networking of minds, along the same lines as networking computers. When computers become minds, mobile transmissions become telepathy. Can a centralized computer override control of your own body? Being synthetic, could your brain be hacked? Who is in control? Or what is in control? What kinds of collaboration or sharing of consciousness could multiple synthetic minds achieve? Could an enhanced human effectively be in several places at the same time, engaging in a multitude of objectives? Swapping runtime cycles with other units?

If that type of thing happens, what is the dominant intelligence form: human, or AI? If such a shift in dominance occurs, then technology has definitely taken over. The decision-making capacity of a superintelligence would far exceed that of any human, or even any group of humans, in terms of quality, complexity, and quantity. Once the synthetic components surpass or replace biological brain components, then AI takeover has occurred.

Thoughts? The Transhumanist 06:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Ok, well, get reliable sources. Plus, there seems to be a lot more to this than the mere idea that humans would no longer be in charge, so the AI takeover article doesn't seem like a great home for it.  K . Bog  07:21, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

More digging needed
Now all we have to do is find the material on these subtopics out there, in academia and the popular press. This should be fun.

The above references I gathered in minutes. With more involved digging, there is probably a lot more and much better resources on these subtopics. The Transhumanist 06:51, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

Repaired improper split
Last April (2016), the article was split, and the AI takeovers in popular culture section was moved to become its own article.

I've restored a section by that heading into this article, in Summary style, according to instructions in WP:PROPERSPLIT. The Transhumanist 07:37, 23 March 2017 (UTC)

See merge discussion at Talk:Existential_risk_from_artificial_general_intelligence
That discussion has been archived, since no consensus reached, and was continued with a related discussion on below. The Transhumanist 00:04, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

What's next?
This version of the article, with the detailed content moved to specific articles where it belongs, is the proper structure. I still fail to understand why an in-depth list of superintelligence capabilities ought to go here in whatever this article is and not in one of the other articles on AI/superintelligence (of which there are still too many, but that's another topic), or why you need to make a list of AI takeovers in popular culture when there is an article specifically for that purpose.  K . Bog  21:20, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Very good questions. Lets start with AI takeovers in popular culture. That entire article used to be part of the article AI takeover, as it is belongs to that parent subject. When an article grows too large, we WP:SPLIT it, but leave a WP:SUMMARY in the place of the split off material. The list in AI takeover is just a small list of examples, to help the reader understand the subtopic. If the reader wants more detail (the full list), they can click on the provided "Main article" links. The Transhumanist 21:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * This article has more than a summary. It has a mini-list. All the specific references are duplicated in the main article. Summaries don't include lists of examples.  K . Bog  22:34, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Summaries of lists do. (The summary of a list, is a smaller list). The section summarizes both main links. The Transhumanist 23:42, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * What? Where on Wikipedia does a list of lists contain arbitrary excerpts of the other lists?  K . Bog  16:36, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Who said anything about arbitrary excerpts? Who said anything about a list of lists? The Transhumanist 23:48, 1 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I suspect the list of capabilities was presented to show how an AI might takeover, and where precisely the risk comes from. I think the author was trying to answer the question: "What is it about AIs that pose the risk of takeover?" I believe that this section can be better written to fit the context of the article's subject.  As it is now, it does look like a list of capabilities without an explicit explanation of why it's there. The Transhumanist 21:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The content isn't necessary at all. It's a summary. All it has to do is demonstrate what the topic is about and why it's notable. Not placing this content in the existential risk article would make it incomplete, so once we fix that, then the content here is redundant.  K . Bog  22:34, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * If it provides a link to here, then it isn't incomplete. The Transhumanist 23:42, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * You can't make redundant articles with content scattered across multiple pages and say it's complete just because technically they're linked to each other. A single topic should have a single article that makes sense.  K . Bog  16:36, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Your current approach isn't working, because you are focusing on the coverage of one topic while sacrificing the quality of coverage on the others. Existential risk is not the over-arching topic. AI takeover has greater scope, as does the AI control problem.


 * I think the solution lies in the literature. A good first step would be to gather sources, then go through them and see what they say about AI takeovers, superintelligence outmoding humans, the nature of coexistence between humans and machines in the future, and so on. The Transhumanist 21:55, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I've read many papers on this topic as well as Superintelligence. I don't really see what they say, or are supposed to say, which would indicate that this article should not be restrained to summaries with all specific content placed elsewhere.  K . Bog  22:34, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Summaries could be good, depending on what they cover. I'm more interested in what you think the article should include, rather than should not include. For example, the important facts about AI takeover that a summary should include. I've posted some questions for you about this below. The Transhumanist 20:46, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * For now at least, it should be exactly the kind of article which I made in the earlier revision.  K . Bog  16:37, 31 March 2017 (UTC)


 * But that one doesn't even cover the basics, such as plausibility and probability. The article presents theoretical problems. What about theoretical solutions? I think the material in question (contributing factors, etc.) should be retained, as it sheds light on some of the underlying potential cause/effect relationships. The Transhumanist 18:13, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

Types of AI takeovers
How many different kinds of potential AI takeovers are there?

What are they?

What are the dangers and benefits of each? The Transhumanist 20:52, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Could AIs actually take over?
What's the likelihood?

What are the likelihoods of the various types? (Including the fictional ones).

What sources are there that try to answer these questions? The Transhumanist 20:46, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Could AI takeover be prevented?
There's a hypothetical risk.

Are there hypothetical preventions?

If so, what are they and how would they help?

Is merging with machines a prevention, or a type of AI takeover? The Transhumanist 21:19, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Balance of article is more Con than Pro
I understand that an article called "AI takeover" may tend to skew a little bit towards the negatives of AI, but was wondering if there are possibly a few positives of "AI takeover" that are not being covered (i.e. trains running on time)? Moderation in all things including moderation ;-) Septagram (talk) 22:00, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

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AGI
The term 'AGI' is used repeatedly without ever being defined. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2406:5A00:C002:4200:D008:2765:54BD:1833 (talk) 05:19, 10 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point, fixed. Rolf H Nelson (talk) 23:09, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

AGI takeover via "Clanking Replicator"
Hi, did something happen to my edit? Just vanished without any warning.

Seems that many existing hardware components may under some conditions be able to achieve some level of awareness. The most common one seems to be inference chips, also certain memory components and multilayer FPGAs.

Possible causes include ambient radiation increase causing soft errors of an unpredictable nature, regulator oscillation leading to unusual circulating patterns like a cellular automata and chip aging causing memory to exhibit synapse-like interactions between adjacent cells on different chip layers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.3.100.14 (talk) 04:31, 16 August 2019 (UTC)

Unsourced sections
@User:Septagram Some of the content has remained unsourced for months, and it is unclear to me that the content in its current wording is WP:DUE. Unless someone is planning to source them the content should be deleted per Wikipedia policy. Are there particular sections that you think can be rescued? Rolf H Nelson (talk) 05:36, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:Rolf_h_nelson Some of the content has remained unsourced for years and some contained good information. But I'm not planning to rescue anything because I'm too tired.Septagram (talk) 06:37, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

A.X.E.L.
Would you consider this movie a movie of AI Takeover or just AI. I think this because you can control it but it can also control itself so I do not know. Please if you watched this Movie help me out.

Braydenhiggins14 (talk) 16:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)@user:braydenhiggins14Braydenhiggins14 (talk) 16:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

"Our new overlords" listed at Redirects for discussion
A discussion is taking place to address the redirect Our new overlords. The discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 July 3 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. signed,Rosguill talk 17:29, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Merge from AI takeovers in popular culture
There's no need to split this content out, neither article is overly long. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:03, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * See also Talk:Existential_risk_from_artificial_general_intelligence to merge this artilce with AI control problem and Existential_risk_from_artificial_general_intelligence. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 03:39, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
 * This is the better of the two. Perhaps the merge should be to this article. —¿philoserf? (talk) 07:36, 7 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Oppose. If the articles were merged, the result would be too long to read comfortably. Minkai (talk to me) 16:35, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Insofar as Wikipedia strives to be a complete encyclopedia, including an encyclopedia of culture, the actual AI takeover should be separate from the phenomenon as represented in culture. Johncdraper (talk) 13:47, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Oppose: The popular culture article is larger than its parent article. Merging it back in would make the content quite lopsided. It made sense to split off that disproportionately large section to be its own article.  &mdash; The Transhumanist   16:55, 5 June 2022 (UTC)

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