Talk:ASL-phabet

I'm not sure where the ASL-phabet comes in but the website in the link -- the one called "ASL-phabet" is using SignFont, which was developed by a team which included Don Newkirk and Elena Pizzuto while they was consulting with Emerson and Associates in the 1980s.


 * Newkirk, D.: SignFont Handboook. Emerson and Associates, San Diego (1987).
 * http://replay.waybackmachine.org/20000902024005/http://members.home.net/dnewkirk/signfont/

I have heard that Sam Supalla did create an orthography for ASL, but the website emphatically does NOT feature that.
 * 16:37, 19 March 2011‎ User:Dparvaz (sign added-DePiep (talk) 06:48, 14 June 2013 (UTC))

Not notable enough for Template:Sign language navigation
Although I spent 10 years with ASL and some ISLs, attended numerous events, and have a bookshelf full of books on sign languages, SL linguistics, deaf culture topics, biographies, and related topics, I have never heard of this "ASL-phabet". I question its notability for inclusion in Template:Sign language navigation.

Given the extreme brevity of the article, and the previous commenter's remark that the actual website itself is not an example of this, it's questionable whether this topic should be in Wikipedia at all. Mathglot (talk) 05:24, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
 * I advise to start WP:AfD for this article page. If your books, and the sources mentioned in the article, do not support the topic your point in non-notability might be hitting goal. If the one dedicated site linked to is not an original and reliable SL-source, there might be no notability left.
 * As for the template: as long as the article is here (=acceptable on WP), it should be in the template. (There is no such thing as: "notable article, but not notable for the topic's main navigationbox"). It the article goes, it will go from the SL navbox template too. As for myself, I cannot judge on notability. -DePiep (talk) 06:57, 14 June 2013 (UTC)


 * If an WP:AfD is started, I assume it will be noted here. In response to the comments, I'm inclined at this point to favor inclusion, of the article, but would suggest renaming it to "SignFont".  The website dparvaz comments about is, I assume, the website about SignFont.  Supalla started from SignFont, and called his modification ASL-phabet.  I was, in fact, personally familiar with Supalla's work using SignFont for several years before I stumbled on the name ASL-phabet (I think it was on Wikipedia).  Many of the references in the bibliography concern the original SignFont, not ASL-phabet itself.  I'd have to check, but I think the Supalla and Blackburn article does not use the term "ASL-phabet" but rather talks about the SignFont script in terms of "graphemes".  All this seems to indicate that the term "ASL-phabet" is not notable enough for Wikipedia, but the script, under its original name SignFont, *is* notable enough for inclusion.  So, instead of deleting the article entirely, I suggest we retitle it as "SignFont", add more information about SignFont before Supalla had a hand in it, and include the current information about ASL-phabet as one section of the article.  We'd also have to create a redirect from ASL-phabet to the new title, of course. AlbertBickford (talk) 19:43, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
 * If WP:AfD is started, it will be noted on the ASL-phabet page itself, not this talkpage. If someone wants to start that, but does not know how: I can do the actions (without the arguments). Just ask me. The rest of your reply reads like an argument for something I do not get. If you have an improvement to the article: please add I say. -DePiep (talk) 00:08, 16 June 2013 (UTC)


 * DePiep, thanks for comments about what's appropriate for NavBox, didn't know that.
 * AB's comments, including suggested actions of retitling/adding more info about SignFont seem persuasive to me.
 * If we take both those points, seems like it should stay in Nav, with the retitled topic name, once that's achieved. Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

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