Talk:Aaron Taylor-Johnson

Third opinion on disputed material from IMDB
A Third Opinion is requested in a dispute between Lx 121 and myself myself over the inclusion of the date of birth and place of birth of Aaron Johnson. You can read our exchanges to date on his Talk Page and on mine. This is a summary of them:

Lx 121 insists on including this material, but does not include any inline citations for them. Instead, he merely lists four urls in the References section (claiming that the need for inline citations is just my personal opinion), two of which are of the Internet Movie Database, and two of which are fansites. Fan sites are not reliable sources, nor is imdb. When Lx asked me to point out where on Wikipedia this is stated, I directed him to the Reliable Sources Noticeboard, where there are countless discussions on the matter. On the first page of search results alone, there are 20 discussions, and of those, users in at least 15 of them indicate that imdb is not reliable, with the other discussions exhibiting a bit more ambiguity or dissent on the matter. This is easily a consensus, but Lx insists that it is not, without explaining why. I also pointed to this policy page, which says imdb is not reliable for notability. Lx's position is that this matter is not about notability but reliability. In my opinion, this is hair-splitting, since, if it is not reliable for notability, then why would it be reliable for verifiability? Lx insists that I am trying to impose my "opinion" on others. I tried to explain that the only "opinion" I had on imdb was that it was reliable, and only stopped using it when I was informed otherwise, but he has not responded to this, preferring only to repeat the original accusation, in violation of WP:AGF. He also claims that it is reliable because he and others in the film industry rely on it, and that for a site with user-generated content to "criticize" another is due to "professional jealousy". I tried to explain that this judgment is not a "criticism" nor "professional jealousy", but merely an observation that sources without full editorial control cannot be reliable, which is a core part of the Verfiability policy, but he argues as if "I use it, and so do others" somehow supersedes the Verifiability policy's criteria on editorial control.

Lx also insists that I should look for sources for this material myself. He also argues that since it's only the date and place of birth, that we can "assume" it's correct, unless I prove the material's inaccuracy. Dates and places of birth are not exempt from WP:V, and as I have tried to explain to others, WP:Burden requires the editor who favors adding or including the material in question to source it, and not others. This is not only policy, but is a far more fair and logical distribution of responsibility, since it properly assigns responsibility to each editor who adds material, instead of giving them a blank check to dump any ol' information in an article, and leave others to clean up the mess. I made this point to Lx, but he did not respond to refute WP:Burden, or any interpretation of it.

Lx also says that I am in danger of violating the The Three revert rule. By this he is referring to my reverting the material at 03:20, 24 July 2009 after he added it, and then again at 06:28, 25 July 2009 after an anonymous IP editor reverted it. As I tried to point out to Lx, that rule forbids reverting material more than three times within a 24-hour period, and doing so twice in 27 hours poses no danger of violation, specifically because it does not apply to reverting vandalism or blatant policy violations. He responded by insisting that what I did violated "its spirit". In fact, the intent of the 3RR is to discourage edit warring, and Good Faith reverts of a material that an editor believes clearly violates WP policy, first by one editor, and then by another editor 27 hours later, does not violate the spirit of 3RR. This is common sense, but is also indicated explicitly here. Once Lx began disputing the material in question with me, however, I stopped reverting it, as continuing to revert during such a discussion is not permitted. Indeed it is interesting that Lx himself did not abstain himself from doing this, as he continued to revert even after we began discussing our dispute, but somehow it's my prior reversions that violate this rule.

In addition, he continues to revert other edits I make to the article, even ones that he did not indicate previously that he disputed. Specifically, when I tried to delink a date (not remove it, mind you), citing the Manual of Style in my Edit Summary, Lx reverted it, commenting in his Edit Summary, "copyediting the intro & edit conflict, again." Whether he is doing this out of spite, or also wants to challenge the policy that indicates that dates not germane to an article's topic should not be linked (or thinks I am misinterpreting it), I don't know, but I posted a link to that policy on his Talk Page. Nightscream (talk) 17:35, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Material in need of sourcing
Can anyone find a verifiable, reliable source on Johnson's date and place of birth? Someone added High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, UK as his place of birth, and 13 June 1990 as his date of birth, but without a source that satisfies WP:RS, so I moved that info here per the discussion on Jimmy Wales' Talk Page until it can be sourced. Nightscream (talk) 00:21, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

The opening section lists Angus, Thongs and Perfect Snogging as one of his 'earliest roles' and The Illusionist as a film he has appeared in as a 'young adult'. Given that the Illusionist is a 2006 film and Angus is 2008, can this be changed? Sounds like distancing from a less flattering role.

Not done. That is a matter of copyediting and sourcing. Wildhartlivie (talk) 22:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)


 * "Sounds like distancing from a less flattering role." Sounds like I wasn't aware of when Angus came out when I wrote that. Please see WP:AGF. Nightscream (talk) 23:10, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Filmography
This is probably the third time I've edited his fimography section of the article. For future references, let's just leave his role in Kick-Ass as it is, okay? They're both the same character in the movie, he plays both parts, and that's the way he's listed in the credits. There's nothing erroneous about slashing in his superhero persona, especially when it's useful information for those who have yet to see the movie. This is an information source, and anyone reading the page needs to know he's the main character and starring role, not just some random mook that appears in the film. SJCrew (talk) 17:56, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Music Videos
Focusedontruth (talk) 18:11, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. While movies are easily "sourced" merely by the credits of the movie itself, a video needs some sort of clear proof that this actor appeared in it. If you have such a source, please make a new edit request with that information. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:14, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 1

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The result of the move request was: Move. Jafeluv (talk) 12:07, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

– relisting as multimove ErikHaugen (talk &#124; contribs) 18:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Aaron Johnson (actor) → Aaron Johnson
 * Aaron Johnson → Aaron Johnson (disambiguation)

– Primary topic. Page views: 81,090, 548, 508, 175. Relisted, also see discussion GB fan 13:29, 25 September 2011 (UTC) Marcus   Qwertyus   21:22, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I would agree with that he is easily the most widely notable person by that name.RafikiSykes (talk) 21:31, 17 September 2011 (UTC)
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 * An admin should reinstate this. — Statυs  ( talk,  contribs ) 22:15, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 20:48, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Aaron Johnson → Aaron Taylor-Johnson – Since his marriage to Sam Taylor-Wood in 2012, this has now become his WP:COMMONNAME. Tanbircdq (talk) 16:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Support A quick Google News search of his name reveals this isn't just a "he changed his name change the title" thing. The sources now mostly refer to him as Taylor-Johnson, so it seems obvious to have the page located there. Beerest355 Talk 19:09, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
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Material needs grammar correction
Sentence reads as "He had his breakthrough performance as John Lennon in the biopic Nowhere Boy (2009), directed by Sam Taylor-Wood, whom he married in 2012 and adopted the same surname (Taylor-Johnson) with." The sentence should not end as "with" since this is grammatically incorrect. Sentence should be altered to "He had his breakthrough performance as John Lennon in the biopic Nowhere Boy (2009), directed by Sam Taylor-Wood, with whom he married in 2012 and adopted the same surname (Taylor-Johnson)." NixMatrix (talk) 22:28, 28 June 2024 (UTC)