Talk:Abhinav Bindra

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I told you he was born in 1983. But no, no one listens. 67.169.0.250 (talk) 07:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * IOC says he was born in 1982 and that should be the end of the discussion. Σαι  ( Talk ) 07:36, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

More About Abhinav Bindra
Born: October 29, 1983

Ht: / Wt: 5'8 / 143 lbs

The following biographical information was provided by the Beijing Organizing Committee for the Games of the XXIX Olympiad (BOCOG).

Historical Results

Note: A complete explanation of data type and depth can be found in the Additional Information section of the biographyRank Event Year Venue Result Olympic Games 7 10m Air Rifle 2004 Athens, GRE 694.6 World Championships 1 10m Air Rifle 2006 Zagreb, CRO 699.1 Asian Championships 4 10m Air Rifle 2005 Bangkok, THA 695.3

General Interests

Marital status: Single Club name: Ranjitgarh Rifle Club: India Coach: Gaby Buehlmann, Sunny Thomas [national] (ISSF 13/02/04) Handed: Right (ISSF 13/02/04) Additional information: When and where did you begin this sport? He began the sport at the age of 15 in India. (Athlete 14/09/00)

Why this sport? He was attracted to guns and got into the sport because he liked the idea of fame. (Education Sify 28/02/02)

Training Regime He does seven hours of shooting and two hours of stretching and jogging per day. (Education Sify 28/02/02)

Most influential person in career His parents. (Athlete 01/02/00)

Sporting philosophy / motto "For a shooter, all skill lies in concentration." (Education Sify 28/02/02)

Awards and honours He received the Rajiv Gandhi Khel Ratna Award for 2001, India's highest national recognition for sportsmen and women. (Tribune India 01/04/06)

He received a K.K. Birla Foundation Sports Award for 2000/01. (Tribune India 19/03/02)

He was awarded the Diploma of Honour by the International Sports Shooting Federation in 2000. (Nriol 28/06/01)

He received an Arjuna Award for 2000, India's second highest national recognition for sportsmen and women. (Tribune India 01/04/06)

General EQUIPMENT MALFUNCTION In the 50m rifle 3-position pairs event at the 2006 Commonwealth Games in Melbourne, he suffered an early equipment malfunction and was forced to borrow the weapon of teammate Anjali Bhagwat to continue. He ended up shooting a score of 1444, one more than his partner Gagan Narang, as the pair claimed the gold medals. "Shooting is 99 per cent luck and one per cent training," he said afterwards. (Delhi2010 20/03/06, IBN Live 24/03/06)

YOUNGEST COMPETITOR He was the youngest shooter to compete at the 2000 Olympic Games in Sydney and also became the youngest person to represent India at an Olympic Games. (Dimdima 26/02/02)

FAMILY FUNDED His father's financial status provides him with the best competition and training equipment available. "I have an air-conditioned shooting range with a totally computerised Target Transportation System of international standards," he said. "I am also equipped with around seven guns, ammunition, jackets and other shooting paraphernalia." (Education Sify 28/02/02)

The following results are included in the Competition Highlights field. There can be small discrepancies due to the lack of sources for certain results. Note that the results are sorted on rank within a competition.

Results in Last Olympic Cycle: - All Placings at 2004 Olympic Games - All Placings at 2007 World Championships (Olympic events only) - Top 8 at other World Championships (Olympic events only) - Top 8 at Continental Championships (Olympic events only) - Top 3 at World Cup competitions and World Cup Final

Historical Results (before OG 2004): - Top 8 at 2000 Olympic Games - Top 3 at other Olympic Games - Top 3 at World Championships (Olympic events only, from 1997)

Language spoken: English —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.169.0.250 (talk) 07:49, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Much of it is trivia such as language spoken, most influential person etc. and cannot be included. The rest however can modified and rephrased into neutral prose, while citing reliable sources. Blogs are not reliable sources of information. =Nichalp   «Talk»=  08:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Blog
What's the proof that abhinavbindra.blogspot.com is his blog, and not a spam site?
 * It is removed now. WP does not consider blog sites as notable. --GDibyendu (talk) 08:21, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

I have removed it many times and it keeps getting added by saying it is an official blog.--SkyWalker (talk) 08:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It hardly adds any value to the article. Next time it props up again, please delete it again. --GDibyendu (talk) 08:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I shall do. I was also avoiding 3RR.--SkyWalker (talk) 10:33, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * This article validates it. No harm in having it under external links, IMO. Tintin 03:21, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link. IT's ok now. 202.54.176.51 (talk) 04:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

great going
I wanted to take a moment to applaud all those people who put in significant effort in upgrading the page. To compare, these are the changes in the page since this morning after he won the gold.

The page has moved from a stub class article to a start class article. --192.8.222.82 (talk) 13:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

ANOTHER ABHINAV SINGH STUDIES AT ST. PAUL'S SCHOOL GWALIOR.HE IS JUST AGE 15 AND DEVELOPED A WEBSITE- 1GBGAMES(DOT)CO(DOT)NR  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.199.39.19 (talk) 11:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Academic qualifications
Is he a BBA or an MBA? According to The Statesman, he is an MBA. According to The Telegraph and The Tribune, he is a BBA. His young age suggests that he is a BBA, not an MBA. Also which specific school of the University of Colorado did he attend? That information has to be updated on the list of alumni page of that university as well.

GhanaDa (talk) 08:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Max points
The article says "Bindra scored his highest of the finals - 10.8 (A Bullseye)". As per 10 m Air Rifle, the maximum score is 10.9. Can someone explain this. If not, I'll wait for a day and remove the "bullseye". Tintin 14:24, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for removing it. His max was 10.8 in finals. And Bullseye is 10.9. --GDibyendu (talk) 18:48, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Abhinav Bindra - NOT a Sikh
Mr Msp4realmf, this is not being a sikh or not. The Guru Granth Sahib states clearly who is a sikh and who is not a sikh. This is not a thing on which you can make an opinion - this is something which has been clearly defined. Dont know if you are a sikh or not, but if you are not clear on something then better check the authoritative sources. Im citing the Reht Maryada below -
 * With respect wikipeadia is neutral and non-judgemental on such issues. The facts should be stated and the reader left to make up their own conclusions.  Whether you think he is a good Sikh or not is not an issue to a neutral encyclopaedia.  msp4realmf (talk) 17:26, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

"Any human being who faithfully believes in: (i) One Immortal Being, (ii) Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Gobind Singh, (iii) The Guru Granth Sahib, (iv) The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and, (v) the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion is a Sikh." (Reht Maryada, Sikh Code of Conduct) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.121.21.2 (talk) 12:37, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

To the anon @ 146.121.21.2 - I have no idea if you have a valid point or not. However that doesn't give you the right to spam the article. If you have reservations on Abhinav's religion, please place the pointer in the appropriate section rather than spamming the article. We are all here to make this article meet encyclopedic and let us not move away from that. The question is not whether he is a practicing Sikh or not, but the religious origin that he belongs to. As far as his religious practices go, unless he makes a public statement, his religion is his private matter. --192.8.222.82 (talk) 13:16, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

To the anon @ 146.121.21.2 - i have placed a footnote stating that Bindra is a clean-shaven Sikh in comparison to the practice of Kesh. I hope that it addresses your issue. --192.8.222.82 (talk) 13:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Dear 146.121.21.2, I hope you know that there are Sahajdhari Sikhs who do not wear a turban and are clean shaven. Yuvraj Singh is also a Sikh. Sikh community is proud of such Sikhs, even if they have not taken Amrit. See all the Sikh sites: SikhWiki, World Sikh News. Bindra is a non-baptized Sikh. See what his father said: "My son has proved that ‘Singh is King’ in a real sense. He has brought laurels for the whole Sikh community and for the whole nation…" Even Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee (The most RESPECTED body of Amritdhari Sikhs) has congratulated him and awarded him a prize! Then WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE WHETHER HE IS A SIKH OR NOT? 202.54.176.51 (talk) 03:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Your argument is ridiculous. Govts of Kerala, Tamil Nadu have also given him a prize and congratulated him. According to your argument Abhinav is a Keralite and he is a Tamil. Very Laughable !!! SGPC has honored foreign nationals as well. Does it mean, they are sikhs ? Im not sure if you have read Predicate logic, but if you have, then you would know what Im saying.


 * And I will add one more thing from the admin of a Sikh community called Langar Hall: "The conversation of who is a Sikh and who is not a Sikh is endless. This particular post is meant to celebrate Abhinav's achievement, not comment upon his religiousity. If you insist upon asserting yourself as the judge of Abhinav's Sikhi (or lack of it), then find another forum to post it. The conversation of cultural and religious identity is frequently discussed on The Langar Hall. If you wish to make a point, be eloquent and do it on those posts....Admin Singh". 202.54.176.51 (talk) 03:28, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

In Sikh parlance, according to Reht Maryada, they are patits (renegades - those who have fallen by the wayside). There is little chance of their ever-taking amrit. There is no getting away from the fact that in the West, the practice of taking the pahul and wearing the hair and beard unshorn is on the decline. This is admitted by most Sikh leaders and will be apparent to any shrewd observer. The danger is these clean shaven men who claim to be sahajdhari Sikhs and form the bulk of the sangat(congregation) in gurdwaras in the West may slowly slide into Hinduism. This danger is very real because they have no knowledge of Gurbani, speak mostly English and have only a smattering of Punjabi. Some do not even know the names of our ten Gurus or the Punjabi names of weekdays. Can they be classified as sahajdharis when there is little chance of their ever being keshdharis, leave alone amritdharis. And yet in the eyes of the law they are Sikhs ! because that is what their passports states. Its easy for you to associate the phrase 'Sahajdhari Sikh' with Abhinav Bindra. However, in reality he is closer to being a Hindu than to being a Sikh. Im not judging this, THIS IS A FACT. If Abhinav Bindra comes out and says that he is a Sahajdhari Sikh, I have no objection- put it up on Wikipedia. However, dont associate any tom, dick and harry with the Sikh religion. IntrepidSoldier (talk) 13:58, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

As for all other people like Yuvraj Singh, they chose not to bear a turban and they chose to cut their hair. This is a matter of convenience. the term 'Sahajdhari Sikhs' has become a matter of convenience ? How ridiculous is your observation ! Sahajdhari Sikhs are 1 step closer to becoming amritdhari sikhs. If a keshdhari sikh becomes a Sahajdhari, is he more likely to give up on sikhism or he is more likely to become an amritdhari sikh ? People like Abhinav, Yuvraj are renegades and are most likely to give up sikhism sooner rather than later. Im not judging anyone, let Abhinav Bindra or his family come out and say that they are Sahajdhari sikhs - then put it on the wikipedia page. If not, better not put information that cannot be verified. I bet you - they dont have the guts to come out and say they are Sahajdhari Sikhs. And now lemme ask you the same question - WHO ARE YOU TO DECIDE THAT HE IS A SIKH ? This information is unverifiable, hence you cannot put it up on Wikipedia. IntrepidSoldier (talk) 14:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I am not deciding that he is a Sikh, Mr. Orthodox Fanatic Extremist. Look at these links:
 * World Sikh News: Sikh shooter wins first ever individual gold for India at Olympics
 * SikhNet:

"My son has proved that 'Singh is King' in a real sense. He has brought laurels for the whole Sikh community and for the whole nation," said father AS Bindra.
 * SikhiWiki: "Abhinav Bindra is 24 year old Sikh sportsman from Chandigarh, Punjab India."
 * The Langar Hall: Sikhs that shoot
 * Stop taking credit from Sikh community. 202.54.176.51 (talk) 04:17, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Sikh Net and World Sikh News are no authority on sikh religion. Let SGPC say it, then it can be accepted. SGPC honored him, never said that he is a sikh.
 * As for Singh is King comment by his dad,Singh doesnt mean Sikh, Sikh means Singh. If you still dont understand - ask your 7th grade sibling to teach you predicate logic. His dad is just riding the publicity wave - shows how opportunistic he is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.121.21.2 (talk) 13:29, 22 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Wow, you guys too jealous of the Sikhs. 202.54.176.51 (talk) 03:36, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Regarding Olympic Controversy
It is alleged that Abhinav's and Gagan's gun was fiddled with during the competition. Can some one create a separate section on the same. BalanceΩrestored Talk 07:53, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Source?. --SkyWalker (talk) 08:47, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

As per Rediff Bindra says no such controversy. -Bharatveer (talk) 09:08, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've already posted the references from Times of India. http://olympics.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Bindras_gun_was_fiddled_with_before_final/articleshow/3361598.cms

 BalanceΩrestored Talk 09:57, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That's the goodness of Abhinav Bindra that he's not giving the controversy lot of weight.  BalanceΩrestored Talk 09:59, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Abhinav Bindra Is The Golden Eye Of India

Images
How are they? There's another one Image:Abhinav Bindra 2.jpg. Use it if needed. Cheers Σαι  ( Talk ) 02:59, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Early years
I find some of the content of this section quite redundant. What has the fact that his parents are promoters of so-and-so group got to do with his early years. Furthermore, his (or his father's) business's turnover is irrelevant. Facts about his schooling are good--perhaps we may expand on that. Also, the part of him being discovered by Lt. Col Dhillon could go into this section. gnusbiz (talk) 18:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As such, it does not look important. But if they were doctors, then nobody would have objected against this info. Turnover of the company is also apparently redundant, but (though it is not mentioned yet in the article) Bindra's father made Personal Training facility using his own money. And Turover also supports 'affluent' from the first sentence. --GDibyendu (talk) 18:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Some doubts
The guy's name is Abhinav, his sister's name is Divya, his family speaks Hindi, he wasn't born in Punjab, and nothing about him whatsoever would lead one to believe he is a Punjabi Sikh other than him saying so, even one that is none too religious. The fact that he is a so-called "Sikh" seems to be overblown. Just look up any interview with his family regarding his Olympic win, if you think this stuff is made up. He doesn't represent Punjabis in the slightest. Calling oneself Sikh doesn't make it so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 3swordz (talk • contribs) 09:44, 30 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I totally agree with you. The problem is that this is a gross misrepresentation of the Sikh community. A very bad example for the next generation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by IntrepidSoldier (talk • contribs) 14:20, 3 September 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.121.21.2 (talk)

Edit war
I am responding here due to a request made at Requests for Editor Assistance. There appears to be an ongoing content dispute between user Rationalist22 and anonymous users 69.119.26.131 and 146.121.21.2 over content provided in the "Early life" section, specifically a reference made to Bindra being a Sikh. If there are reliable sources that claim that Bindra is in fact not a Sikh, then please provide links to those sources here so that the article's content can be discussed. Thank you. -epicAdam(talk) 15:51, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) I have re-added the content as supported by the information found in the cited third-party articles.
 * 2) Discussion and debate on who is actually a Sikh does not belong on Wikipedia. Users have presented a number of reliable sources that claim Bindra to be a Sikh and that information can be included until somebody provides a source that says otherwise. If a source provides information contrary to an editor's beliefs, that does not mean that the source can be dismissed as unreliable.
 * 3) Editors who continue this Edit War may violate Wikipedia's Three-edit Revert Rule, which would then result in temporary block from editing.

Arithmetic
"At the 2008 Beijing Olympics, Abhinav Bindra won the gold for the Men's 10m Air Rifle final after shooting a total of 700.5. He scored 596 (fourth) in the qualifying round and out-scored all other shooters in the finals with a round of 105.5."

Is 700.5 supposed to be the sum of 596 and 105.5? Because it isn't. Which of the three numbers is wrong? Shreevatsa (talk) 22:21, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Good catch. Bindra's final score was 104.5, I'll fix it right away. — JAO • T • C 07:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

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Zodiac sign
Scorpio. As he is born on October 29th the starting days of Scorpio are October 24th to November 13th. 2001:DF7:4B80:E3C:75CA:6CC3:A566:48C2 (talk) 11:38, 25 August 2023 (UTC)