Talk:Achila II

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I thought this page is about the first Philippine and only sattelite named Agila II 69.120.6.126 15:34, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not make a page about that? Srnec 18:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

"Nonetheless, the man who brought down an ancient kingdom and opened Europe to Saracen depradations for centuries continued to call himself king until his death in 716" I don't understand how Agila brought down the kingdom. It was Roderic who lost the war against Tariq. 85.250.37.112 13:32, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It originally probably meant that Achila had divided the kingdom by opposing Roderic. This is not certain and the article has been completely revised since. Srnec 18:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Accuracy
More research would seem to be required on the topic of loss of sovereignity of the Visigoths to the Saracens. Also the initial parenthetical expression about Latin having no /j/ is somewhat incomprehensible. Do you mean [j]? Latin of all periods had an i which was pronounced like a consonantal y initially and between vowels and when the written j came in it too was pronounced y. I think you might be trying to portray a j as in john. That sound change probably did happen in some locations in early Romance or late vulgar Latin. In any case These are all later forms of an original Aquila, "eagle." I do not know by what sound changes in what languages that became ahila, achila, agila, whatever, but the parenthetical statement that is there does not cover it. I would say, linguistic speculations should not appear in sentence 1 and should be referenced. Maybe a footnote? But that is only a minor thing. More is known that what appears here. We need enough detail to make sense of it.Dave (talk) 05:25, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The point, I think, was only that the sound the Latin writers were trying to represent was not found in Latin, so there was no obvious way to represent it. I've removed the claim. Srnec (talk) 00:46, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Correct name
The correct name should be Ágila II. Similarly, in the case of Ágila I (with accent on the initial A)

http://monarquiaespanola.es/pagina/index_godos.htm http://es.thefreedictionary.com/%C3%81gila https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81gila_II https://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%80khila_II

Sjg (talk) 21:28, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Important bibliography and other references:

1 - Historia de España, Volumen 3 - Ramón Menéndez Pidal - Espasa-Calpe, 2007: https://books.google.es/books?id=tdYpAQAAMAAJ&q=%C3%A1gila&dq=%C3%A1gila&hl=es&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZyYXbgfvLAhXGMBoKHfzgAxYQ6AEIIzAA 2 - Leovigildo: unidad y diversidad de un reinado - Luis A. García Moreno, Luis Suárez Fernández - Real Academia de la Historia: https://books.google.es/books?id=u-X4dkALGsAC&pg=PA52&dq=%C3%A1gila&hl=es&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZ5rqKhPvLAhWGSBQKHXCECSo4HhDoAQggMAA#v=onepage&q=%C3%A1gila&f=false 3 - Transformaciones de la Bética durante la Tardoantigüedad - Luis A. García Moreno (Universidad de Alcalá de Henares): https://dialnet.unirioja.es/descarga/articulo/2582396.pdf 4 - Historia ilustrada de Córdoba - José Manuel Ventura - Editorial Almuzara: https://www.scribd.com/doc/18934448/maqueta-historia-de-cordoba 5 - Crónica najerense - Juan A. Estévez Sola - Ediciones AKAL: https://books.google.es/books?id=gKscuj0EjAoC&pg=PA89&dq=%C3%A1gila&hl=es&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjZyYXbgfvLAhXGMBoKHfzgAxYQ6AEIJzAB#v=onepage&q=%C3%A1gila&f=false 6 - Callejero de Madrid: http://madrid.callejero.net/calle-de-agila.html

Sjg (talk) 21:28, 5 April 2016 (UTC)


 * García Moreno is not consistent. I've added it as an alternate at least. In my experience, the first king is Agila and the second Achila based on contemporary spellings. Most scholars prefer to treat these as two variants of the same name and standardise them. The accent only plays a role in Spanish and other Romance languages, not in English, Gothic or Latin. Srnec (talk) 01:29, 7 April 2016 (UTC)