Talk:Adam Dollard des Ormeaux

Battle of Long Sault
In the opening paragraph of this section, it states: "For reasons unknown, the Iroquois did not continue east to capture Ville-Marie. (...) The battle so weakened the Iroquois they cancelled their planned attack on Ville Marie (Montreal) and returned home."

So which is it? Either we don't know the reason for the Iriquois' failure to capture Ville-Marie, or the reason is because their forces were left too weak. MechanoidWarhead (talk) 20:01, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

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Timeline
Article originally referred to 1658/1659 and the "newly founded" Ville Marie. Ville Marie was established in 1642 initially and bolstered by recruits several times later (1653, see ref below). Was also not known as Montreal, but this name appeared later.

Refs:

1. "La Grande Recrue de 1653", Roland-J. Auger, Publications de la Société Génélogique Canadienne-Française - No 1, MONTRÉAL, - 1955

2. La Recrue de 1653: Liste des Colons qui Partirent de France pour Montréal en L'Année 1653, par E.-Z. Massicotte, Archiviste en Chef du Palais de Justice, Montréal dans la RAPPORT DE L'ARCHIVISTE DE LA PROVINCE DE QUÉBEC, 1920-21, pp. 313-319. DAG (talk) 16:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

conscription imposed in Commonwealth
This could mean that conscription was imposed throughout the Commonwealth by the various national governments. It could mean that some Commonwealth authority superior to national governments imposed it. In the first case it could be clarified; in the second case it needs to be supported. --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 16:01, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Unknown until the 1940s
"Adam Dollard des Ormeaux was unknown until the 1940s when nationalist historians in Quebec like Lionel Groulx found accounts of the Battle of Long Sault and raised Dollard to hero status." This is completely wrong. Dollard des Ormeaux is mentionned by many historians, both french and english ( É.-Z. Massicotte, E. R. Adair, Abbé Rousseau, Parkman, Sulte, Mgr Tanguay, etc.). I therefore remove this passage.--BarLaf (talk) 15:59, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

DDO is not a suburb
DDO was a suburb of Montreal, but following a group of de-mergers in 2006, DDO became a separate city. I gave corrected the article Historygypsy (talk) 00:15, 16 December 2013 (UTC)


 * According to the Wikipedia article about suburbs, in Canada a city can be a separate entity and still be considered a suburb. SQGibbon (talk) 22:26, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

I currently live in DDO (grew up here too), and while it is a separate city, it IS considered to be a suburb of Montreal.216.252.80.75 (talk) 20:47, 21 December 2013 (UTC)


 * DDO IS a city. Up to 2002, there were 27 independent boroughs on the Island of Montreal. In 2002, they are merged under great consternation. In 207 DDO and some others de-merged. DDO IS an independent city, even though it share shares some services with Montreal. The current mayor of DDO is Ed Janiszewski whom I have met. Go to your city hall, or easier, log into the DDO website which clearly is headed City of Dollard des Ormeaux and clearly names its mayor. I am reverting to my edit.

For your interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Merger, http://www.ville.ddo.qc.ca/en/default.asp Historygypsy (talk) 01:33, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

History or myth?
I think the intro needs a least a change of tone? More and more recent scholars and journalists have written that almost nothing is known Dollard and the Battle of Long Sault and that after centuries of obscurity his heroic myth was created to provide ideal moral models by the Catholic clergy and others. According to the Journal de Montreal "the myth is more and more contested and revised" (my translation). And according to the Encyclopédie du patrimoine culturel de l'Amérique française. "the replacement of la Fête de Dollard by the National Patriots Day since 2003, indicates the representation of the character no longer have the same scope. One wonders to what extent Dollard des Ormeaux is still part of the heritage of French America" (my translation). --Cornellier (talk) 17:20, 25 May 2019 (UTC)