Talk:Adam Levine/Archive 2

Edit warring
Don't do it. causa sui (talk) 07:12, 24 August 2011 (UTC)


 * I am not going to edit war. My compliments on your succinctness. It is refreshing to see an appreciation for the application of the "less is more" maxim. : ) Bus stop (talk) 14:18, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Maroon 5 and mainstream success
"After dropping out of Five Towns College, Levine and Jesse reunited with Mickey and Ryan..."

This is the first mention of Mickey and Ryan, with an assumption that the reader is already familiar with who they are and their connection to Adam Levine. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.120.198.10 (talk) 11:46, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Jewish, another source
In this, yet another source, Adam Levine confirms for us again that he is Jewish. He says:

"I think it's the Jewish person inside me that's finally come out. I cannot escape my fate as an executive producer!"

For the sake of providing context, the full sentence in that source reads:

"Adam, 32, is working as executive producer on the two shows, and joked, 'I think it's the Jewish person inside me that's finally come out. I cannot escape my fate as an executive producer!'"

The article Adam Levine should clearly be stating that Adam Levine is Jewish. We have an abundance of sources in which he says that he is Jewish and in which others say in reference to Adam Levine that he is Jewish.

The article at present merely makes reference to Adam Levine's "ancestry" as being Jewish. I would argue that this article's primary concern is not Adam Levine's "ancestry" but rather Adam Levine. An abundance of sources in addition to this most recent one confirm that Adam Levine is Jewish, and no source suggests anything to the contrary. Along with other commentary that other editors may see fit for inclusion we should be stating straightforwardly that Adam Levine is Jewish. In many of the sources to this effect we have Adam Levine saying about himself that he is Jewish. Note the list of reliable sources in the section above titled Talk:Adam Levine. He refers to himself numerous times as being Jewish and sources refer to him as being Jewish.

I hope we can enter into some productive dialogue to alter this section of the article in order to bring the wording found there into a greater semblance of conformance with what sources are saying in regard to Adam Levine being Jewish. If anyone has any sources at odds with these sources, they should present those sources as well. Bus stop (talk) 18:41, 1 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Bus Stop, I consider your attempt to raise this issue once again as further evidence of your disregard for the true interests of Wikipedia, for consensus, and for articles to be encyclopaedic in content, rather than sections of a database for an ethnoreligious group. The article already makes it entirely clear that Levine considers himself Jewish, and also makes clear on what grounds he does so. This is not a court of law and we have no requirement to make authoritative 'rulings' regarding ethnicity in articles. Please don't waste any more time over this issue - the article is fine as it is. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:17, 1 November 2011 (UTC)

Another source
We should be stating with certainty that Adam Levine is Jewish. No source casts any doubt on that.

Here is another source which has just come to light from about a week ago:

"Hence, it is difficult to fathom the logic that has put MercyMe and Maroon 5 atop two different charts at once. Millard may or may not have been trying to cross over, but the audience that adores Maroon 5 has no time for his approximation. Levine probably did not give the Contemporary Christian market a second thought (not least because he’s Jewish), but its members have proven perfectly willing to support a facsimile."

(The emphasis in the above—the bold italicized text—has been added by me.)

The language presently in the article is misleading and not supported by sources. When we read that he "considers himself Jewish" we are reading an implication that he might not be Jewish. That implication should be removed. Many sources support the inescapable fact that Adam Levine is Jewish—including several statements by Adam Levine to that effect—and no source suggests that Adam Levine might not be Jewish.

The article presently reads that Adam Levine "considers himself Jewish".

That is unusual language and it is not found in sources—nor is any language remotely like that found in any source.

We should be wording the article in accordance with sources. The sources are stating with certainty that Adam Levine is Jewish. We should be following suit and stating the same in a straightforward manner.

The language "considers himself Jewish" is not straightforward. It is misleading. That is language which suggests that Adam Levine might not be Jewish. Bus stop (talk) 23:08, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Bus stop, a consensus has been reached. Wikipedia is under no obligation whatsoever to use a particular phrasing regarding ethnicity or religion - or indeed, to report it at all. Your ridiculous nit-picking arguments do nothing whatsoever of benefit to Wikipedia - take your obsessions elsewhere. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:15, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Bus stop, I don't think the new source adds anything new or changes anything - just another source that, in passing, assumes he's Jewish. I agree with Andy, although I wouldn't necessarily express myself so strongly. You need to let go.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:39, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * AndyTheGrump—the content that is included should not be misleading. "Considers himself Jewish" is in fact misleading. Can you tell me any good reason why we wouldn't be stating straightforwardly that Adam Levine is Jewish? How many more sources could we possibly need to support that Adam Levine is Jewish:


 * 1. ) "Levine, an alarmingly self-assured, caustic, 28-year-old middle-class Jewish boy, is booming the word 'extraneous!' during a lengthy argument over a forthcoming video."


 * 2. ) "He was born at nearby Cedars–Sinai Hospital — “like all the other Los Angeles Jews,” he quips."


 * 3. ) "I will be the skinny Jew on a motorcycle."


 * 4. ) "Love, your cranky Jewish neighbor and future mayor."


 * 5. ) ''"Levine probably did not give the Contemporary Christian market a second thought (not least because he’s Jewish), but its members have proven perfectly willing to support a facsimile."


 * I just brought a source which states straightforwardly that "he’s Jewish". It is standard operating procedure to adhere to sources. Bus stop (talk) 23:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Bus stop, a consensus has been reached. If you attempt to edit the article against consensus, I will revert. I am not the slightest bit interested in reading further reams of your endless repetitive misrepresentations of Wikipedia policy. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:01, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I changed my view. I'll go with Andy's stronger language. You are truly wasting everyone's time. This is my final comment.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:02, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't believe that either of you (AndyTheGrump, Bbb23) are addressing the issue that I am raising: Sources say that Adam Levine is Jewish, including the most recent source I just brought. Not one source suggests that Adam Levine might not be Jewish. Yet you both inexplicably support language in our article that suggests that Adam Levine might not be Jewish.


 * "Considers himself Jewish" implies that he might not be Jewish, does it not? Why would we want to imply that Adam Levine might not be Jewish? Bus stop (talk) 00:26, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * (Deleting the effort to hatnote this, as I would expect the community should be allowed to read it and comment...) I agree with the bare bones statements that the sources do indicate that he is Jewish, and that this is an RS source that is in line with that statement.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:39, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * agree with epeefleche - it says he is jewish. enough, andy, enough. now, please, he is jewish, and move on. thanks. Soosim (talk) 07:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

This issue has been discussed ad nauseam. The "community" has had more than enough opportunity "to be allowed to read it and comment". Soosim has had an opportunity, and so has Epeefleche, in the extended discussion above this one. Barring some source that says something truly new, as opposed to yet another source that says the same thing, this discussion has run its course. I'm not going to close it again because of the objections, but I'm also not going to comment again just because people want to go in circles. And, like Andy, I will revert changes to the article that go against the consensus that was already reached. If someone really wants to have another endless discussion about is-he-or-isn't-he-Jewish and what-does-it-mean-to-be-a-Jew, then take it to another forum so the fun can be spread around.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * I have reverted Soosim's edit, as against consensus, improper, and stylistically poor. If people want to make an issue out of treating Wikipedia as a court of law, so be it. As I've already stated, under present policy, Wikipedia is under no obligation whatsoever to use a particular phrasing regarding ethnicity or religion - or indeed, to report it at all. These are editorial matters to be decided on the basis of relevance to notability, due weight etc, and not simply to suit the agendas of individuals acting 'on behalf of' ethnic or religious groupings. If necessary I'm prepared to raise this issue at AN/I, or at any other appropriate Wikipedia noticeboard, and I expect that any response will give sound reasons why, under present policy, contributors consider such obsessive tagging of individuals legitimate - or even morally sound. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Given that you think Bus stop's "tagging" (as you put it) of this BLP as Jewish is evidence of a broader pattern of editorial misconduct, I'd suggest that the best way to get community review of the complete issue would be a user conduct RFC. causa sui (talk) 16:29, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * As I said in the recent (and inconclusive) AN/I thread on Bus stop's behaviour, I'm less than convinced that an RfC/U would achieve anything - the problem is that we already have policies regarding expected talk page behaviour etc, but they aren't enforced. And regarding the wider 'tagging' issue, Bus stop isn't the sole proponent of this - it is actually a part of a much broader issue concerning POV-'spin' in BLPs, and as such isn't going to be resolved by debates about the behaviour of a single individual. The fact is that far too many regular contributors devote excessive time to pushing the perceived interests of some group or another, and do it using methods that not only discourages other contributors (unwilling to involve themselves in endless circular debates), but also distorts Wikipedia content, whereby undue weight is given to ethnicity, faith, sexual orientation etc in articles where it is either of minor note, or of no direct significance whatsoever. AndyTheGrump (talk) 22:16, 16 September 2011 (UTC)


 * An RFC/U will definitely not achieve anything if nobody starts one. And that AN/I was inconclusive because you made it about this one issue, which is quite a big storm in a very small teacup -- tiring to AN/I regulars. If it's really about a broader pattern, then draft it that way and you'll get a different response. causa sui (talk) 01:42, 17 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Given that, regarldess of what he says, according to traditional Jewish law, he is not Jewish, I think the current text is perfect. I understand that Kaarite Jews and Reform/Reconstructionist Jews will consider him Jewish if he says he is, but according to Conservative and Orthodox Judaism, he is not Jewish (because his mother, the daughter of a non-Jewish woman) was not Jewish. I personally do not care about what the sources say, or even what he says he is, but the sentence essentially allows for this fact of life. By the way, I am not trying to argue whether he is or is not Jewish here, but just pointing out that the reason why so many sources say that he "considers himself Jewish" is because many Jews would not consider him to be a Jew, unless he chose to convert. And, not that it is relevant, but he cannot emigrate to Israel under the law of return, because based on the Halachic definition of Judaism, because of this.Sposer (talk) 18:50, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 3 April 2012
Under "Other Work" you can add the fact that Adam Levine featured on the 4th season of "The Haney Project" on the Golf Channel where noted golf coach Hank Haney tried to teach Adam to improve his swing.

Cghall74 (talk) 01:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Even if you provided a source for this, I'd have to ask: why? Levine is a musician, not a golfer. This is an encyclopaedia, not a collection of trivia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:53, 3 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  &mdash; Jess &middot; &Delta;&hearts; 07:01, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

{{edit semi-protected}

I read an article that says that Adam Levine has been dating Behati Prinsloo since May 2012. Prinsloo's page verifies this, and cites other sources as well. Shouldn't this be added to Levine's personal life section? Thank you for your consideration and attention.

Maggiecahill (talk) 23:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Confusing wording
One of the sentences in the introduction says:

He has received three Grammy Awards, two Billboard Music Awards, two American Music Awards and an award each at the MTV Video Music Awards and the World Music Awards, all with the band. Can someone clear up the part when it says: "and an award each at the MTV Video Music Awards"?

Robert (talk) 18:54, 4 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Done. GinaJay (talk) 11:23, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Participating in therapy is trivial information
The fact that Levine attended therapy as a child after his parents' divorce seems trivial. I suggest that the information be deleted or pared down. --Crunch (talk) 18:20, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 October 2015
Under the Kara's Flowers section, someone had put that James Valentine was one of the founding members of Kara's Flowers, which is false. Jesse Carmichael was one of the founding members alongside Adam Levine, Ryan Dusick, and Micky Madden.
 * ✅ - The link you provided is not working. However, this is. Anyways, thank you for pointing that out. -- Chamith   (talk)  04:04, 23 October 2015 (UTC)

== Missing information under Business ventures and endorsements Hello, I couldn't help but notice that under the Business Ventures and Endorsements section (and briefly in the 4th paragraph at the beginning of the article), only Adam's menswear line with Kmart thought Sears is mentioned. He has both a Men and Women's apparel and accessorie line. I am a Merchandiser for both of his departments and Nicki's, Jamandaa (talk) 19:11, 12 November 2015 (UTC)Jamanda :)at a location in Pittsburgh, Pa. As far as reliable sources, if you visit Kmart online you can view both departments. (Fun fact, you can find the number 222 on the in or outside of every single item in the Adam Levine collection! I noticed this preparing for inventory.

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Height
Is this really an important thing for a musician? Iggy (Swan) 16:02, 20 June 2019 (UTC)