Talk:Adirondack Mountains

Mining
This statement was questioned (parentheticall) in the article. That's inappropriate for the article text, but entirely appropriate here. Please edit the article if you can document that this statement is not accurate:


 * The region is rich in magnetic iron ores, which though mined for many years are not yet fully developed .

-- Kbh3rd 18:45, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hmm. Reading farther, the article (based on 1911 E.B.) devolves into a lot of self-questioning. I'm putting a cleanup tag on it. Kbh3rd 18:54, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)


 * Mining in the Adirondacks is over. The iron mines have been abandoned for decades. Rlw 20:15, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)


 * I have reworked the geology. I am a licensed P.G. in the southeastern U.S. who vacations in the Adirondacks, I did what I could and will come back to this.  Help from someone with greater expertise would be welcome, however. Ajg 17:59, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hunting?
Is the statement about hunting being banned since the 1970s correct? There are sites like http://www.adkhunter.com/ that are about hunting in the adirondacks. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 02:37, 9 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I can't find anything to support the statement that hunting is banned. Looking at http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dfwmr/huareas.htm#forest, it would apear that hunting is explicitly allowed, even the the Adirondack Forest Preserve. --Rlw 03:15, May 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * Hunting is most certainly not banned. I should know. I live there. "The Adirondack Forest Preserve is open to public hunting, except in intensive use areas. Big game hunters seek white-tailed deer and black bear in the fall, while others lie in wait for ducks or pursue ruffed grouse and other small game like the snowshoe hare. Adirondack furbearers such as beaver, fisher, and river otter are sought by trappers." -http://www.dec.state.ny.us/website/dlf/publands/adk/#Hunting — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.169.223.76 (talk) 06:43, 6 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I also live in the Adirondack Mountain region. While hunting is not banned in the Adirondacks, hunting is banned in the Adirondack State Park, which may have been the intent of the author's writing.  Several endangered species, such as Timber Wolves, have been released in the Park, which is probably why hunting there is banned.  There was some documented public outcry over the release of some of the endangered species, especially the Timber Wolves, and, in April 2003, an unidentified man in Hampton, New York claimed that he was attacked by a rogue wolf.  Months before, the man's neighbor was attacked by what locals believed was a mountain lion, although some cryptozoologists claimed that the beast was actually a Mesonychid.  The alledged wolf attack led some locals to believe that there was indeed a Mesonychid in the area, however the theory is generally dismissed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mike Freed (talk • contribs) 05:34, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Um... given that we have a citation saying that hunting IS allowed... can we get a citation to back the claim that it isn't. Blueboar 14:03, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Hunting IS allowed in the Adirondack State Park. http://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/wildlife_pdf/08guidedeer.pdf I live near the park and hunt there often. Many of my neighbors own hunting camps in the Adirondack Park. Also, While many of us do believe that wolves were released secretly by the DEC, I do not believe that there is any documentation on this. If so, please provide it. 63.167.255.152 (talk) 20:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Hunting IS allowed in the Adirondack Park. I live there and have hunted there my whole life. Timber Wolves were NOT released in the park as they are in fact not indigenous to the Park and therefore the DEC will not support them beyond putting them on the endangered species list. There was recently an article to this tune in local newspapers. Additionally, the photo of "Lake Placid" in the Geology section of this article is actually of Mirror Lake. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.230.130 (talk) 11:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Dated info/History of Adirondacks
I have removed the "dated info" warnings
 * Much of the following text dates from 1911. Much of it needs to be updated and
 * The next paragraphs are truly dated. What can be updated, what needs to go?

because it appeared to me that, after I pulled the sentence about the summits being easily reached by stagecoach, that the bulk of the dated material had been taken care of.

That said, a fair amount of the dated material was handled by changing present tense verbs to past tense, leaving an odd mix of current description with historical description. Clearly what is needed is a History section-- then the historical info can be gathered there and all will be jolly. If there is a problem, it is, perhaps, that the history of the Adirondacks is a pretty big subject, and I know I'm not really up to it, unless I take it a wee bit at a time. Any takers? – Mwanner 23:08, Jun 16, 2005 (UTC)

Erosion?
I'm removing the reference in the High Peaks section that says erosion may be responsible for the fact that several of the peaks considered to be 4,000 feet in the 1897 survey are now not considered to be 4,000 feet. The closest of the four peaks so "shortened" are Blake and Cliff, at 3960 feet. The idea that in less than 100 years these peaks lost 40 feet of their height due to erosion is ludicrous. I could POSSIBLY see it if they were not tree-covered and landslides could be involved, but this is not the case. The other two are Nye and Couchsachraga, both of which are under 3900 feet, and again, tree-covered. Colden46 20:12, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Au Sable River
I changed the bit about Lake Placid being the source for the Au Sable as it isn't true. For one summer I worked as a field tech and one of my jobs was to measure the waterflow of the Au Sable above, at, and below the confluence with Outlet Brook (which connects Lake Placid to the Au Sable). once every month or so. The Au Sable above Outlet Brook puts out a lot more water during any given season than Outlet Brook does. I'm not sure what the source for that information is, but it's possible that it's relying on DEC measurements which are not only old, but usually inaccurate and horribly incomplete. --BridgeBurner 21:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Regional map much needed
I was trying to see the Catskills extent relative to the map in Appalachian Plateau... but others would have a similar need trying to distinquish between the Green Mountains,VT; The Berkshires in MA; and Adirondack Mountains. et. al. don't you agree? Fra nkB 18:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Could anybody for the help of poor ignorant foreigners add the correct pronunciation of Adirondacks, preferably in phonetic script (IPA)? --Hartmut Haberland 21:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I mean: where does the stress go? Adirondacks or Adirondacks? Hartmut Haberland 13:26, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * The emphasis is on the third syllable: adiRONdacks. Rlw (Talk) 15:52, 15 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Rlw!--Hartmut Haberland 17:19, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Flora and Fauna
The article would benefit from a section on flora and fauna, particularly anything unique to the region. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 168.215.132.137 (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I agree. This would probably count as OR, but the last time I was there I recall seeing lots of hawkweed and wild blueberries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.33.174.133 (talk) 16:48, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

History
I can not believe the glaring, crashing inaccuracy which was apparent in the previous history section with regards to aboriginal use of the land. Shocking! I've fixed that up a bit. Should the history not come before the description of the present day park? That makes a lot more chronological sense, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.216.228.171 (talk) 00:22, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Additions in progress
Hello, I am in the process of editing and adding to this page using the following resources: Dwk014 (talk) 06:19, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ballou, William Hosea. "An Adirondack National Park." The American Naturalist 19, no. 6 (1885): 578-582.
 * Graham, Frank, and Ada Graham. 1978. The Adirondack Park: a political history. New York: Knopf.
 * Harris, Glenn. 2012. An environmental history of New York's north country: the Adirondack Mountains and the St. Lawrence River Valley : case studies and neglected topics. Lewiston, N.Y.: Edwin Mellen Press.
 * Jacoby, Karl. 2001. Crimes against nature: squatters, poachers, thieves, and the hidden history of American conservation. Berkeley: University of California Press.
 * Perrottet, T. 2013. "Birthplace of the American Vacation Escape to the Adirondack Mountains in upstate New York, a breath of fresh air for harried city dwellers since the Gilded Age". SMITHSONIAN. 44 (1): 68.
 * Schaefer, Paul. 1989. Defending the wilderness: the Adirondack writings of Paul Schaefer. Syracuse, NY: Syracuse University Press.
 * Sulavik, Stephen. 2005. Adirondack: of Indians and mountains, 1535-1838. Fleischmanns, N.Y.: Purple Mountain Press.
 * Terrie, Philip G.. ""Imperishable Freshness": Culture, Conservation, and the Adirondack Park." Forest & Conservation History 37, no. 3 (1993): 132-141.

Needs more sources
Take a look at this |this link to the 1911 Britannica seems like a lot of the article as of June 2015 came from here. --Cornellier (talk) 10:29, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Climate section?
This article might benefit from a Climate section, especially since the high peaks have more extensive permafrost than the White Mountains. See, for example: M.T. Walegur & F.E. Nelson: Permafrost distribution in the Appalachian Highlands, northeastern USA. User:HopsonRoad 13:30, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

Huh ?
"n 1664 the land came under the control of the English when New Netherlands was ceded, and logging operations started soon after,[3] resulting in massive deforestation. The land obtained by the U.S. Government was redistributed "

Obtained by the US Govenment ? In 1664 ? "redistributed" ?

Could someone translate that into English, please ? With special attention to the fact that there was no US government (note the small g) in 1664 ? And that normally land obtained by the government is not 'redistributed' (except very quietly, to the banksters) ? 210.22.142.82 (talk) 01:57, 3 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Check it now. --Cornellier (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2015 (UTC)

Assessment comment
Substituted at 06:43, 29 April 2016 (UTC)

Northeast Appalachians map
The file NortheastAppalachiansMap.jpg is incorrect. The Adirondack Mountains are not a part of Appalachian Mountains. That map should be removed from the page and from Commons. Thx, --YB ✍ 13:18, 26 September 2016 (UTC)


 * On a related note, this article states that the Catskills and Poconos are not part of the greater Appalachian range, while the Catskills and Poconos pages state that they are. Someone with the appropriate knowledge should correct this inconsistency. (23 July 2019) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.61.70.67 (talk) 06:42, 23 July 2019 (UTC)


 * The confusion over the categorization of the Catskills is a serious problem and at the time of writing has still not been fixed two years after the comment above bringing our attention to this problem. (30 May 2021) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.18.132.123 (talk) 14:21, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

I plan on fixing the problem noted if no objections are heard.

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