Talk:Adler and Allan

Request edit on 20 February 2018
The Adler & Allan Group is based in the UK, specialised in oil, environmental, Emergency Response and cleanup services. Adler &Allan started trading in 1926

They have been involved in the clean-up in one of the UK’s most infamous disasters, In 2006 Adler and Allan were appointed principal contractor for the cleanup of the Buncefield oil terminal following the catastrophic fire and the extensive floods of 2007 and 2013.   ❌ the source doesn't say this? Link has now been changed--Rene Willemsen (talk) 14:21, 20 February 2018 (UTC) ❌ the source only says... "Adler and Allan (employed by Total to clear the Buncefield site) " Theroadislong (talk) 14:37, 20 February 2018 (UTC) Added - another resource that references they have been involved in the clean up ✅ but in a neutral tone. Theroadislong (talk) 10:05, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Following Storm Desmond in 2015, they worked closely with the Environment Agency and where involved in the clean-up operation, sanitising equipment and preventing pollution as well as helping communities in Cumbria access available flood grants.  ✅

They are a founding member of BERG (Business Emergency Resilience Group), BERG is part of the BITC (Business in the Community), an initiative of His Royal Highness The Prince of Wales.  ❌ self promoting and not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

In 2008, Adler & Allan were chosen by the Olympic Development Authority (ODA) to run a secure supply chain for fuel to the London 2012 Games around the country.   ❌ self promoting and not notable. Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)

Adler & Allan expanded its range of services with the acquisition of E&S Environmental, WES (Worcester Electrical Services) and in 2017 with the acquisition of specialist environmental consultancy, OHES Environmental.  

Adler & Allan Win the Barclays Award for building resilient business 2017 -    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rene Willemsen (talk • contribs) 16:31, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

Expands & Upgrades Hazardous Waste Site in London - Reference https://waste-management-world.com/a/adler-allan-expands-upgrades-hazardous-waste-site-in-london

Infobox company information

Industry	Environmental services

Founded	1926 Headquarters	Harrogate, United Kingdom

Key people	Bob Contreras (Executive Chairman), Mark Calvert (Non Executive Chairman)✅ Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC), Henry Simpson (Commercial Director), Henrik Pedersen (Business Development Director), Keith Potts (Compliance Director), Andrew Clarke (Managing Director E&S environmental)

Services	Compliance & Asset Resilience, Tank Services, Spill Response, Waste Management, Fuel & Forecourt Services, Pollution prevention, 24/7 Emergency Response (Oil, Chemical, flood, fuel spills and oxygen depletion), Protective Coatings & Linings, Tankering, Contaminated Land Investigation & Remediation, Spill Training, Consultative Services, Non-Destructive Testing (NDT), Site Decommissioning, Flood services, PPM and testing

Number of employees	600+ (2018)

Subsidiaries E&S Environmental, WES (Hazardous electrical services) , OHES Environmental

Website	http://www.adlerandallan.co.uk ❌ self promoting and not notable

I have amended and added in the independent resources as well as the info box information and services and would like to change the Adler and Allan page / article as the information needs updating.

kind regards,

Rene


 * Please slow down we are volunteers here, whilst you are being paid for your edits. COI editing is strongly discouraged on Wikipedia. It undermines public confidence and risks causing public embarrassment to the individuals and companies being promoted and I for one have no interest in helping you promote your business. Theroadislong (talk) 17:24, 21 February 2018 (UTC)


 * I understand your point of view and will find the sources required, however the intro on the page (about Adler and Allan) is incorrect the correct info about Adler & Allan is :-

The Adler & Allan Group is based in the UK and specialised in oil and environmental, Emergency Response, Compliance and Asset Resilience services. Adler &Allan started trading in 1926  [1] [2] '''

this is not promoting the company this is merely stating what the company is about in the correct way.'''
 * ❌ this may be your preferred version, but that doesn't make it correct, please advise what is incorrect about the article's lead as it stands. Theroadislong (talk) 13:35, 22 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Dear Therislong if you would look into the company history you would find that it is the correct description not just the description of 1 article, i can provide many external impartial 3rd party sources and references if needed. as said before i am not here to promote i merely like to see the correct information about Adler & Allan displayed.
 * You haven't answered the question though, please advise what is incorrect about the article's lead as it stands. Theroadislong (talk) 13:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

My Mistake i thought i did, as it stands the incorrect information is oil industry and environmental service, it should be Compliance and Asset Resilience services and then instead of environmental clean-up operations it should say specialises in oil, environmental, Emergency Response and cleanup services. - this would provide the correct information Rene Willemsen (talk) 13:58, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Sorry but "Compliance and Asset Resilience services" sounds like a marketing term. Feel free to ask for second opinion at The Teahouse though. Theroadislong (talk) 15:24, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

this is a genuine service to industries and ill put it forward in the teahouse, however it would be nice to add what adler and allan specialise in- specialised in oil, environmental, Emergency Response and cleanup services as well as the Subsidiary OHES environmetnal Rene Willemsen (talk) 08:42, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It really isn't helpful to continually (50 plus changes) edit and change your content above after people have responded. Theroadislong (talk) 10:33, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

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Request edit on 25 May 2023
Edits to description

Please can we replace the current description with this one:

Adler and Allan is an environmental services provider based in the UK. It was founded in 1926.

It has approximately 1,500 employees and 30 depot locations.

In November 2020, Sun European Partners acquired Adler and Allan. [Reference: https://www.ft.com/content/8414cb8e-4f93-11e7-bfb8-997009366969)

Adler and Allan is a group company with several specialist brands, including: Detectronic; Aqua Consultants; Jet Aire; Flotech; Oneline; and OHES.

In April 2023, Adler and Allan acquired Detectronic. [Reference: https://environment-analyst.com/uk/109304/adler-and-allan-acquires-detectronic]

In February 2023, Adler and Allan acquired Aqua Consultants. [Reference: https://www.insidermedia.com/news/yorkshire/adler-and-allan-acquires-water-utility-consultancy]

In November 2021, Adler and Allan acquired Jet Aire Services. [Reference: https://www.facilitatemagazine.com/content/news/2021/11/02/adler-and-allan-acquires-drainage-firm-jet-aire-services]

In March 2021, Adler and Allan acquired Flotech Performance Systems and Oneline Surveys. [Reference: https://www.insidermedia.com/news/yorkshire/adler-and-allan-makes-trio-of-acquisitions]

In November 2017, Adler and Allan acquired OHES Environmental. [Reference: https://environment-analyst.com/global/60730/adler-allan-buys-ohes-environmental]

Following Storm Desmond and Storm Eva, Adler & Allan who were involved in the clean-up operation, won The Barclays Award for Building Resilient Business at the 2017 Business in the Community Responsible Business Awards in recognition of its flood response and recovery program in Cumbria. [Reference: https://www.ft.com/content/8414cb8e-4f93-11e7-bfb8-997009366969]

In 2006 Adler and Allan were employed by Total to clear the Buncefield fire site. [Reference: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/78981/buncefield-recovery-plan.pdf]

Edits to info box

Change 'Products' section to 'Divisions' and list the following items:

Environmental, Energy, Water

Remove 'Brands' section

Change items listed under 'Services' to:

Strategy and consultancy, Assets and infrastructure, Hazardous waste, Incident management, Energy transition

Move 'Subsidiaries' to come after 'Services' and change listed items to:

Detectronic, Aqua Consultants, Jet Aire Services, Flotech Performance Systems, Oneline Surveys, OHES Environmental

Move 'Number of employees' to come after 'Subsidiaries' and change amount to:

Approx. 1,500 Will N at Adler and Allan (talk) 14:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Reply 30-JUN-2023

 * Your edit request could not be implemented because the provided references are not formatted correctly. The citation style predominantly used by the Adler and Allen article is Citation Style 1 (CS1). The citation style used in the edit request consists of bare URL's. Any requested edit of yours which may be implemented will need to resemble the current style already in use in the article – in this case, CS1. (See WP:CITEVAR.) In the extended section below titled Citation style, I have illustrated two examples: one showing how the edit request was submitted, and another showing how requests should be submitted in the future:

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Citation Style 1 formatting: The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles, while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles. The Sun's temperature is 5,778 Kelvin. Which displays as: The Sun's diameter is 864,337 miles,[1] while the Moon's diameter is 2,159 miles.[2] The Sun's temperature is 5,778 Kelvin.[3]

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Kindly resubmit the edit request below at your earliest convenience, taking care to ensure that it makes use of CS1. If you have any questions about this formatting please don't hesitate to ask myself or another editor. Regards, Spintendo  19:47, 30 June 2023 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I have re-submitted this request as two separate edit requests for the description section (which should now correctly use CS1, I hope) and the info box. Will N at Adler and Allan (talk) 11:16, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Request edit on 20 July 2023
Replace current article description section as follows.
 * What I think should be changed:

Adler and Allan is an environmental services provider based in the UK.

History
It was founded in 1926.

It has approximately 1,500 employees and 30 depot locations.

In November 2020, Sun European Partners acquired Adler and Allan.

Following Storm Desmond and Storm Eva, Adler and Allan (who were involved in the clean-up operation) won The Barclays Award for Building Resilient Business at the 2017 Business in the Community Responsible Business Awards in recognition of its flood response and recovery program in Cumbria.

In 2006, Adler and Allan were employed by Total to clear the Buncefield fire site.

Acquisitions
Adler and Allan is a group company with several specialist brands, including: Detectronic; Aqua Consultants; Jet Aire; Flotech; Oneline; and OHES.

In April 2023, Adler and Allan acquired Detectronic.

In February 2023, Adler and Allan acquired Aqua Consultants.

In November 2021, Adler and Allan acquired Jet Aire Services.

In March 2021, Adler and Allan acquired Flotech Performance Systems and Oneline Surveys.

In November 2017, Adler and Allan acquired OHES Environmental.

To provide a more factually accurate description of the business and history, including acquisitions etc.
 * Why it should be changed:


 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Will N at Adler and Allan (talk) 11:12, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Reply 20-JUL-2023
Regards, Spintendo  00:43, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) The claim(s) regarding the acquisition of certain companies could not be added because the companies described are not independently notable in Wikipedia.
 * 2) To proceed with the request, kindly provide the WikiLinks of the mentioned companies. When ready to proceed with the requested information, kindly change the ' template's answer parameter to read from y to n. Please note that prior text entered in the Edit request proposal should not be retro-actively altered. Instead, a new reply post supplying the needed information should be posted below this review. The original ' template may then be altered.

Request edit on 20 July 2023
Changes to info box as follows.
 * What I think should be changed:

Change 'Products' section to 'Divisions' and list the following items:


 * Environmental Services
 * Energy Services
 * Water Services

Remove 'Brands' section

Change items listed under 'Services' to:


 * Strategy and consultancy
 * Assets and infrastructure
 * Hazardous waste
 * Incident management
 * Energy transition

Move 'Subsidiaries' to come after 'Services' and change listed items to:


 * Detectronic
 * Aqua Consultants
 * Jet Aire Services
 * Flotech Performance Systems
 * Oneline Surveys
 * OHES Environmental

Move 'Number of employees' to come after 'Subsidiaries' and change amount to:
 * Approx. 1,500

To more accurately reflect what the business does and the structure/acquired businesses etc.
 * Why it should be changed:

N/A
 * References supporting the possible change (format using the "cite" button):

Will N at Adler and Allan (talk) 11:15, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

Reply 20-JUL-2023
Regards, Spintendo  00:39, 21 July 2023 (UTC)
 * 1) The Wikilinks for the companies listed under the subsidiaries parameter have not been provided. Please provide these Wikilinks.