Talk:Administrative divisions of the Ottoman Empire

map improvement request
A better map would be nice. – Quadell (talk) (bounties) 15:33, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

1831
The Ottoman Empire was hardly at the height of its power in 1831. --The Phoenix 06:42, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

single list of Beylerbeylik
The provincial administration of the Ottoman Empire changed as the wars, the conquests of lands and later territorial losses occurred. So to state one list of Beylerbeylik (governor-generalship or province) does not give a clear picture of the provincial administration of an Empire that has lasted from 1300 to 1924. To state 'at the height of power' is again is very controversial. Was it in 15th Century or 16th Century or even 17th Century?

The following summary table, although not perfect and not fully informative, is the list of Beylerbeylik (Province governed by a Beylerbeyi) of the Ottoman state 'at the height of its power  at the end of 16. Century'.

There were also number of autonomous provinces, whose ruler was a hereditary 'head' and whose revenues also belonged to that 'head'. There were two different types of vassal autonomous provinces:
 * Christian vassal states: Moldavia (Bogdan), Wallachia (Eflak), Transylvania (Erdel), Ragusa (Dubrovnik), Georgia and Circassia. Sometime in 17. century the Cossack Hetman.
 * Muslim principalities: Khanate of Crimea and  Sherifate of Mecca. For a time the following frontier provinces also were governed as autonomous Moslem principalities: Gilan, Trablus-Garb, Tunus,  Cezayir.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.101.65.248 (talk • contribs) 13:16, 23 December 2004

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 * Wasn't the vylayet of Silistra a province too? [anonymous] - yes it was : Silistire/Silistra*, 1812 - 1864 (now Bulgaria) Fastifex 08:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * please more info is needed how ethiopia become one of the province of ottoman empire, the name of the capital city and who was the ruler of ethiopia at the time? 				   --207.200.116.10 00:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

- it turns out the term only refers to Eritrea, which was shortly wrested from the Abessinian orthodox empire, not that major Ethipian state. Quite interesting (e.g. Turkish names) seems this German-language specialised site I consulted for moth answers: osmanischesreich.com Fastifex 08:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Map needed.
This whole thing seems odd and vauge without a map. Zazaban 18:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, the map is terrible, impossible to read, and only shows cities, not provinces. We don't need massive detail, just an area map that shows one or two cities. See Kosovo_Province, Ottoman Empire for a decent example. A sequence of vali or governors would be nice too, so people studying this history can tell what the heck is going on. Why do these provinces given in the table above have a different name (beylerbeylik) than "vilayet"? None of the articles on this subject are very coherent with each other. 216.231.46.147 01:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, when I made the comment there was no map. Zazaban 03:04, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Rumelia Vilayet was in Manasdır
The vilayet of Rumelia was in Manasdır (or Bitola). But it did not covered today's Turkey .look at vilayet-i selase. Plaese be correct.--3210 16:35, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Vilayet vs Province
There seems to have been a consensus to use the Turkish word Vilayet for identifying subdivisions of the Ottoman Empire, but this seems to have been changed by several users to province. It seems to me that consistency requires one or the other, and given previous consensus, the articles that have been named Province need to be renamed Koakhtzvigad (talk) 10:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Most are converted to Vilayet and Eyalet, they were originally created as Province articles. But please help at Talk:Temeşvar_Province,_Ottoman_Empire
 * I think Category:Provinces of the Ottoman Empire should be emptied. In case of doubt disambiguation pages can be created like Erzurum Province, Ottoman Empire disambiguating between Erzurum Eyalet and Erzurum Vilayet.
 * I created Category:Sanjaks of the Ottoman Empire. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 12:00, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Sure, but I think you mean redirects (rather than disambiguation) can be created for those who don't know the words Vilayet and Eyalet? Koakhtzvigad 14:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Read Erzurum Province, Ottoman Empire and then I think you know what I meant? GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 16:04, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Ottoman history by country
I created Category:History of the Ottoman Empire by country and I think all by country articles should be moved, History of Ottoman Kosovo->Ottoman Kosovo, Cyprus under the Ottoman Empire->Ottoman Cyprus. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 12:01, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you created this Category. It seems to me history of various modern states during their Ottoman periods would conventionally be described in their history sections/articles. No such categories exist for the Category:History of the British Empire by country or Category:History of the Russian Empire by country Koakhtzvigad 14:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that the title Cyprus under the Ottoman Empire is also not very appropriate. After all, it wasn't under anything, but was a part of the Ottoman Empire. Perhaps consider renaming to Cyprus as a province of the Ottoman Empire? Koakhtzvigad (talk) 14:31, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * There were several articles like Ottoman Greece these are now collected in the new category. I wanted to have them in one category. For Cyprus: Exactly, see my proposal. GRprefectures-have-been-dissolved (talk) 16:03, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

dead link?
The link to "Lazistan" in the article under Eyalets that disappeard before 1609 is dead because it does not link to Lazistan but to *Lazistan However an article "Lazistan" exists that seems to describe what is meant here and is certainly better than linking to a dead end. I tried to link Lazistan to Lazistan - but that was undone: Takabeg (talk | contribs) (16,060 bytes) (Undid revision 440105379 by ConjurerDragon (talk) this was a province.) (undo) Why? ConjurerDragon (talk) 06:06, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * First of all, this is "abnormal" edit. Do I have to explain this abnormality ? And if the article Lazistan explains Lazistan as a geographical area, the article "District of Lazistan" (Sanjak of Lazistan, Liva of Lazistan) that explains "Lazistan" as a administrative units. But if, we want to explain "Lazistan" as a administrative units, we have to change title (Sanjak of Lazistan, like German Wikipedia Sandschak Lazistan and contents (like Sanjak of Niš, Sanjak of Smederevo, Sanjak of Novi Pazar etc.). As long as I understand, there is disambiguation in the article Lazistan, which is one of the sourceless articles. Takabeg (talk) 06:59, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

That seems wrong to me. First you have a link that leads nowhere instead of leading to the existing article about Lazistan. And then you start talking here about changing that articles name to fit your link. If you want the name of the Lazistan article changed you should suggest that in the discussion about that article. As long as no specific article about the administrative unit Lazistan of the OE exists the existing article about Lazistan (that mentions the Ottoman period briefly) is better than nothing. If you don´t want to link to Lazistan - then what about redirecting the not existing article "Lazistan Province, Ottoman Empire" to Lazistan as it is done with Lorri or Moldavia? ConjurerDragon (talk) 08:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I have now created a redirect from the not existing "Lazistan Province, Ottoman Empire" article to the existing article Lazistan. Practically the same as linking directly to Lazistan and better than linking to an article that does not exist with a dead link. ConjurerDragon (talk) 07:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

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