Talk:Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System

Project Cancelled
The project appears to have been zeroed in the 2008 Army budget request. I've gone through and made the necessary changes. Banality 18:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

CEP dispute
Where did the CEP come from? LBT sez:

http://www.lexingtoninstitute.org/low-cost-precision-weapon-will-save-millions-of-dollars-while-minimizing-collateral-damage?a=1&c=1171 Once that split-second sequence unfolds, each Advanced Precision Kill Weapon System has an 80% probability of hitting within two yards of the illumination's center at ranges up to three miles.

So clearly more than one meter. Hcobb (talk) 23:40, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Fixed-Wing Platforms
Hcobb added the following
 * Fixed wing platforms: A-10, F-16, AV-8B and F/A-18 Hornet.

I am removing it as the reference does not support these platforms as intended operational service aircraft carrying the APKWS. These are platforms that were selected by the US Air Force and Navy to demonstrate capability of the rocket for fire from fast-moving fixed wing aircraft, but that's it. The reference article does not discuss intentions for operational service capability. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 15:02, 4 April 2013 (UTC)


 * So what do you want to see in the way of sourcing?

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stories/development-continues-on-advanced-precision-kill-weapon-system-apkws-ii-for-fixed-wing-jet-aircraft-uavs/ The USMC intends to fit these rockets on its F-18A-D fighters, but this is not yet a part of the ongoing JCTD. This effort will take place after the JCTD. BAE Systems says that integration is planned for several other platforms, including the AH-1Z Viper, AH-64A/D Apache, MH-60, SH-60R, OH-58D, AH-6 and the F-16 fighter as well as the M260/261 and LAU68/61 launchers.


 * RS enough? Hcobb (talk) 18:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The reliability of your source is not what I called into question (though I seem to recall others pointing out to you something about globalsecurity.org being deemed not RS). My issue is that the source did not state what you put into the article. You may or may not have had an RS, but you did not have a source at all for your claim. What do I want? A source stating that the A-10, F-16, AV-8B and F/A-18 are the intended fixed wing platforms for this rocket. In addition, it is probably worth adding the rotary-wing platforms, such as the RQ-8/MQ-8 stated already in our article article. As for your second source, it certainly supports (where globalsecurity did not) that A-10C, AV-8B, and USMC F/A-18A-D are platforms intended by the military. It is also possible from your article that the AH-1Z Viper, AH-64A/D Apache, MH-60, SH-60R, OH-58D, AH-6 and F-16 are also intended platforms. It sources that claim to BAe, but I will grant that it is splitting hairs to say whether that means it is really military intent or not and grant you those.
 * Basically, your second article does what your first one did not; establish platforms that are intended to have APKWS capability integrated on to them. Your first article only discussed platforms used in a test program to see if high speed aircraft really could operate the APKWS. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 17:55, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * IMO, this wouldn't be the first time HC has taken things literally without understanding what we have been trying to correct him on his flippant/habitual flouting of WP policies, especially with "Avoid stating opinions as facts." per WP:Neutral point of view. Think its high time we take him up for a review? -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 18:08, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

Dave, what's the opinions issue here? Did one of the sources have some sort of opinion like say "this aircraft would be nice platform for this weapon" or something? AFAIK, this is simply matters of fact as in these are the platforms being used for testing vs. these are the platforms planned to be used in the future. Hcobb (talk) 21:27, 5 April 2013 (UTC)

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Stale
The article says in one spot “ A software upgrade of the APKWS will be applied starting in late 2021”. Well, this is 2023. Should this be changed to “was scheduled to be applied,” without confirming that it was? It should not state permanently that something will happen in the future, pointing to a date in the past. Unencyclopedic. Does anyone know of a reference showing whether the goal was achieved? Edison (talk)<