Talk:African diaspora in the Americas

Puerto Rico
The quoted figure for Puerto Rico (46%) is radically different to that on the Puerto Rico article (12.4%). I note also that it's unsourced.FrFintonStack (talk) 02:36, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Notable people of Afro-American descent
I've removed the gallery in the infobox per WP:NOETHNICGALLERIES but, in doing so, it came to my attention that there was an under-representation of Afro-Americans from Hispanic/Latin America, as well as Canada.

While there are copious "lists of African Americans" (as in those in the U.S.: as politicians, scientists, etc.), there's doesn't appear to be anything parallel for other parts of the Americas. Just as a thought, perhaps such lists should be developed. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 05:17, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 26 March 2016

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The result of the move request was: moved. Number   5  7  12:59, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Afro-American peoples of the Americas → African diaspora in the Americas – The current title is rather clunky, and potentially misleading. It is certainly not a likely search term. In common use, the descriptor "Afro-American" is restricted to inhabitants of the United States, rather than the Americas as a whole. The term "African diaspora", however, is unambiguous, and seems much more natural.  IgnorantArmies  (talk)  15:21, 26 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Support a move per nom. "Afro/African American" is a term typically used for non-immigrant blacks in the United States.  —  AjaxSmack   19:34, 26 March 2016 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. The current title is tautological and unnecessarily convoluted per WP:PRECISION. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:56, 26 March 2016 (UTC)


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Venezuela figure is wrong. Please correct
As per Afro Latin Americans, its more than a million not 100,000.Asilah1981 (talk) 13:42, 16 September 2016 (UTC)
 * According to the source, the 2011 census, the total population stood at 27,227,930. Percentages, per self identification, given were: Morena/Moreno 49.9%; Negra/Negro 2.8%; Afrodescendiente 0.7%. The total given for those of 'Afrodescendiente' is 181,157 (reflecting the 0.7%). I'm not going to try to parse the 'morena/moreno' situation, but what is 'negra/negro' if not logically of African descent? If we take this 2.8% of the population as being correct, the figure should be an additional 762,000 plus the 181,000. The total percentage of the population of undoubted African descent is 3.5%. The method of self identification is a semantic differentiation in how those of African descent identify. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:14, 17 September 2016 (UTC)

Iryna Harpy in Latin America, Moreno is used for people with visible Black African ancestry - it does not refer to having dark skin or hair as the Spanish word means literally. The term negro is mildly offensive and perhaps reserved for someone who really feels he is solely African in origin, which is rare in the Americas anyways. Barack Obama would most certainly self-identify as Moreno in Venezuela. Cultural perception of who is and is not black seems to really distort these figures.Asilah1981 (talk) 07:21, 17 September 2016 (UTC)
 * To be honest, this issue of how census 'self-identification' for many South American countries is the most frustrating feature I've encountered in my work across all of Wikipedia (and I'm truly involved in so many subjects across the board that I can barely keep up). I can understand why so many contributors get frustrated about the "whitewashing" issue: whether the terminology is offensive or politically correct, the substantive reality remains that over half of the population must have black ancestry. For the purposes of Wikipedia, we're obliged not to engage in OR, so the only method I can go with is what the sources say. That being the case, 'negro/negra' and 'afrodescendiente' are both acknowledgements of African descent, meaning that the figure for Venezuela is 3.5% of the population. With the 2011 census standing at a total of 27,227,930 people, the number of African-Venezuelans stands at 952,979 (or, as you've already expressed, close to a million). --Iryna Harpy (talk) 00:10, 18 September 2016 (UTC)

Hmmm, well not to worry Iryna Harpy I don't believe in this white-washing concept and find it quite rooted in U.S biases. Thing is there are millions of people in the Americas, Europe and MENA region who have some level of African Ancestry but that does not make them part of a diaspora unless they self identify as such. The issue is whether self-identifying as Moreno implies acknowledgment of African ancestry or not. I thought it did, since I have always seen Moreno used as a euphemism for "black" in the Spanish Caribbean. But perhaps I am mistaken. In any case 900,000 seems about right to me.Asilah1981 (talk) 01:14, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I know it's complicated, and the census and self-identification comes first. It's also WP:OFFTOPIC for this article, and the nation-state articles themselves. We have articles dealing with such questions specifically, and it isn't our role to interpret anything other than a consensus on which form of self-identification is definitively 'African descent'. Based on that, I'm going to be WP:BOLD and round off the figure to 953,000 in the infobox. If other editors have policy based arguments against this figure, they're welcome to join in the discussion here. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 23:22, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Iryna Harpy I think I didn't explain myself properly. I totally agree with you that self-identification comes first. In fact it should be the only criteria. The question is whether "Moreno" implies an acknowledge of such ancestry or not. Way I see it Moreno is used in a similar way as Mulato.Asilah1981 (talk) 13:39, 12 October 2016 (UTC)
 * That's what is problematic. Unless there is some form of RS per Latin American country, it can't actually be established what the term "moreno" does or doesn't imply. From my knowledge of the various census figures, both options - Mulatto and Moreno - don't appear in any one census together so, as an educated guess, it suggests that Mulatto is deemed a pejorative in that particular country, hence Moreno is the 'politically correct' term... but without RS, that would be a breach of NOR. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 21:51, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

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23andMe study on the genetic legacy of slavery in the Americas
I came across this today. This is not my area of expertise, & I thought someone might want to weave it into the article.

Peaceray (talk) 20:43, 23 July 2020 (UTC)