Talk:Afro-Argentines

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Isn't this article a little bit ridiculous concerning African diaspora in Argentina that doesn't exist? I've been to Argentina three times and I haven't met a native Argentine black yet. The few I have encountered were businessman from Brazil or other South American countries. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.55.113.97 (talk) 23:52, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * In fact, I checked the articles of the people listed as Afro Argentinians here and most of them look White to me. But the whole article is OR. To have a good article you would need to find real neutral sources (they may be in Spanish, by the way) to prove what is said here about genetic diversity in Argentina, the disproportionate number of black males killed during the 19th century wars, the black influence on the tango (all of which I recognize is probably true, unlike the "sinister" bit). --Paul Pieniezny (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

My guess is that this is a machine-translated text. A good hint is "President Vine shoot"... 201.250.25.46 (talk) 12:04, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, this article needs a good clean-up. It would also be nice to know what was translated. If only to know what to throw away.--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

This article isn't ridiculous at all. My understanding is that Argentina did have a large African population in the 19th century...and now it does not. It's unclear why this happened. It could be that the population intermarried, and effectively disappeared. However, the disappearance of the black population from Argentina might be more sinister. Hence, this is an important issue, and I'm glad that someone has started this article, if only to get to the truth about what happened to he black population of Argentina. It could be, in fact, that nothing sinister happened. If that's the case, great. I for one would be happy. But it would be a mistake to be too sanguine about this issue. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.255.233.2 (talk) 01:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "if only to get to the truth about what happened to he black population of Argentina". Er, that is basically screaming to call this article OR and POV. In fact, the apparent subject of this article is clearly notable (Blacks in Argentina's history, and their influence on its culture) - so this article should not be deleted. But it must be cleaned up, OR and POV must be got rid of. That is quite a task, probably. It would be nice to have sources.--Paul Pieniezny (talk) 12:39, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Argentina held about 1.3 million in the 1880s. In the xx century,it received about 5 million europeans. In the 1960s it was calculated that Argentina owed 2/3 of the volume of its population to european migration. The rate of afro people in argentina is 5 or 6%, the rate in Paraguay, Peru, Chile is 2%. The rate in Bolivia is 0.1%. The rate in southern brazilian states doesn't reach 5%. Brazil holds a high rate of afro population, but it is distributed unequally. Uruguay holds 12% of afro uruguaian. It is to point out that it only received an amount of european migration that equalled ir former population (it held half million and received half million),while aregentina revceived an amount that equalled 4 or 5 times it former population. Some historitians have stated that the afro argentine population declined in the XIX century, but others disagree, as many afro argentine activist. Research has showed how afro argentines married repeteadly people of other ancestry, eurodescendants and indigenous. Differently to the anglosaxon countires, latin american countries never had any sort of apartheid like "equal but separte", and the so called "interratial marriage" was never taboo. Some afro argentine leathers state that the afro argentines were not killed, but invisibilized. And that the idea that they were slaughtered is a part of "the official history that stireves to invisibilize " the afro argentine population. Afro argentine organizations struggle for the recognition of the contribution of the afro argentines to Argentina's history and culture. Afro heritage among mixed raced people is recongnizable. The afro heritage in tango is recognized by most tango fans, as some early tango songs even describe it.

Denying the Existence of a Population is Racist
Some people want to erase the African community in Argentina by denying it's very existence. Racial identity is also a very complex thing, especially when people are of mixed heritage. No ones heritage should be denied just because they are mixed.

Telemachus.forward (talk) 02:39, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Afro-Argentinian community
I didn't realise it was so sad. I feel sorry for the community because of their history. Why did the Afro-Uruguayans have it better?Domsta333 (talk) 13:34, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Add to listing
Chocolate Baley, Eduardo Cadillac. elpincha (talk) 14:08, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Poem translations
I've translated the Afro-Argentine poems from the versions on the Spanish wiki. I included the racial slur "wop" as a translation of "bachicha", an offensive Argentine word meaning "Italian". Please don't revert for reasons of offense "wikipedia is not censored" etc.

Boynamedsue (talk) 14:45, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 19:20, 16 October 2012 (UTC) (non-admin closure)

Afro Argentine → Afro-Argentine – See Afro-Brazilian and Afro-Latin American. It should follow the rules for hyphenation of Iberian languages, otherwise it should be African Argnetine instead if a purist English convention is to be followed. Lguipontes (talk) 23:02, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Support Move. Yes.  The hyphen is the main use in reputable books on the topic. SLawsonIII (talk) 21:34, 10 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Support. But perhaps this could have been moved directly Cambalachero (talk) 13:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * There is a redirect, so the system not allowed me to move to a pre-existing name. Lguipontes (talk) 07:56, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Written in bad taste
"Ironically, for the Afro-Argentine, a free Afro-Argentine had less chance of survival than an enslaved Afro-Argentine."

Change to "Unfortunately, a free..."

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Covert genocide through oppressive policies
could we discuss this deletion. It is sourced. Work permit (talk) 23:25, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Its an unfounded allegation based on revisionist history. And its a terribly damning allegation one that should be based in something else other than tons of supposition and tin-foil hat theories. In my opinion using the word "Genocide" with so little proof just devalues that word.

And about "Non-European inmigrants being virtually excluded during the 1900-1970 period" its blatant misinformation. Yes, European inmigration was boosted and prioritized but non-european inmigrants were still allowed in. Case in point, Cape Verde inmigration during the late 1920s early 1930s. Kajkajete45 (talk) 07:15, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Thank you for responding. You do not believe the International business times article, which is what this blog post refers to, is reliable.  If you could refer or quote another source that states this is a fringe statement, that would be helpful.  I do ackowledge that this is stated as “an allegation”.  And as an “allegation”, it should only be included if it is made by a person who is known and credible.  Work permit (talk) 11:22, 6 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Just to emphasize my point. I don’t think “allegations” made by nameless parties should be included in an article.  At best, an “allegation” should only be included if it is by a credile party and has received some scrutiny.  I don’t beleive the citations in this article about genocide meet that threshold. Work permit (talk) 11:57, 6 August 2018 (UTC)

" Decline of the Argentine black population" section - cut text
I've cut the following text from the article:

"These arguments were made only on the basis of conjecture, but since the 20th century they have been permanently disclosed in Argentina by the educational system and media (still today) due to the lack of emphasis on the study of the subject and as a method to invisibilize non-white population that lasted in the country to the present day (although blacks became a small percentage of the Argentine population after the end of the 19th century, amerindians continued to be an important minority that, since before the mid-20th century, grew -and continues to do so- due to the new wave of immigration from South American countries), which served so that, in the social imaginary, the Argentine identity is based solely on the white population, especially those descended from European immigrants."

Several issues here. It's an incredibly long and hard to follow run-on sentence, and I've read through it several times but still am not quite sure as to its intended meaning. The author may have also used different words than those with their actual intended meaning. Moreover, the paragraph above it and the one below it seem to flow together quite seamlessly and well, so I think the section is likely better off without it. If someone wants to though, they can try to make better sense of the text I cut, thoroughly rework/rewrite it, and add it back in somewhere. -2003:CA:8748:5CAE:2997:5816:3A8C:1356 (talk) 09:34, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia information are no longer credible
wikipedia information is not a true source of knowledge 2001:999:488:F388:DD7:C001:4D1C:1E6C (talk) 06:51, 3 March 2024 (UTC)