Talk:Agrafa

"Agrafa" name: Byzantine or Ottoman?
I seem to remember that the "unwritten" status of Agrafa goes back not just to the Ottoman but even to the Byzantine period. Anybody got a reference? Lukas 07:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Kryfo scholio myth?
Another thing: I notice that the article currently reproduces the old myth of the "κρυφό σχολειό" (about the Turkish authorities forbidding the teaching of Greek, and Greek schools being conducted in secret.) As far as I know, this is a historical myth, and the claim that "it is here that the Greek language was kept alive" is extremely overstated. I might remove those passages at some time unless we have reliable sources. Lukas 07:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Note: I've now created an article on Krifo scholio; any discussion had probably best take place there. Lukas 09:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The article states that the area was autonomous of the Ottomans: "The Agrafa region is famous for its complete autonomy throughout the entire 400 years of Ottoman Turkish occupation of Greece." If a region is autonomous why the need for the Secret Schools? Seems like a myth to me.Skopelos-Slim (talk) 07:54, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Municipality or Region
I noticed that someone incorporated details of the town of Agrafa (and its municipality in Eurytania) in this article. I believe another article should be created for the municipality, while this one is kept for the region. Dragases 11:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You are right, Dragases. Agrafa is originally an area. I deleted whatever was related with the municipality, and moved it to a new article under the name Agrafa (Municipality). --Panagiotis botsis (talk) 10:30, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

Deleting accurate information for what reason?
@Khirurg you have deleted the facts about Agrafa. The sources I have added show that Agrafa was well documented and paid tax during the Ottoman Era. The amount of Tax they paid for example is known and is higher than Alasonya and smaller than İnebahtı The population increase which is very slight can also be tracked in this region. Moreover the inaccurate Greek historiography about Agrafa being a wild, inaccessible region is also known by historians and the source I have put already discuss about this topic.

The source you are defending is using in one example "The fiercely independent spirit of its people, known as Agrafiotes, is matched by a harsh and forbidding landscape." this is not a scientific sentence and does not present facts. It has literally no place in Wikipedia. This also assumes that other Greek subjects did not have independent spirit and thus insults them too. Presuming that this platform is not massively swarmed by WP:TEND users we know that articles need to be WP:POV Also from the source here Those Infidel Greeks we know that Agrafiotes migrated outside Agrafa for economic reasons. We also know that villages in Agrafa became property of landowners who might be Turks or Greeks and these people paid taxes to the sates. We see this Travels in Northern Greece - Google Books page 422 for example also in the observations of William Martin Leake. All this already contradicts with the "fiercely Independent spirit of its people" However you say that it is better source as if you are the sole authority here. Utku Öziz (talk) 08:49, 11 April 2023 (UTC)