Talk:Ahti

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This article still needs a lot of work. In its current condition, it's incoherent and contains a plethora on questionable information. For example, the notion of such a fragmentarily represented figure being held homosexual by researchers is in my opinion without basis - although I'd welcome evidence on the contrary if presented.

For a start, I would strongly suggest splitting the article into one concerning the hero and another the god. --88.148.151.210 (talk) 23:42, 22 June 2012 (UTC) ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.150.81.119 (talk) 15:30, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

this aint true at all, same thing than Swedish are telling Finnish about their culture since 1500. this article is not from scientific sources as literature studies or comprehensive cultural studies, who has wide knowledge what they are talking about. this mislead everybody, I suggest that remove this. Pagans means bacchanals in the begun of Christianity to divorce them from other societies, groups of people, also underestimated as barbarians.It is like Bacchanals and (later word change to) pagans are those who had not have marriage or not under baptism in christian church, only Christians call those people pagans, christian self who do not have baptism, natives and original tribes and their way of thinking. Cruse on you : ) if there is some writer who writes about ahti at 1900, it is imaginative character from book, and it should be mentioned, it changes whole meaning of the word, if some one from our time interpret Ahti in his stories as want to. When it is legendary king of the lake or other kind of haltia it from former poets, from original finnis and kalvela - time people, there is specific meaning to AHTI. Just translate finnis wikipge it is good, nothing vain or misleading ...

Split
Propose splitting into
 * Ahti - hero figure
 * Ahto - god figure

Sources seem to be very clear that these are two separate things - maybe there is more to it ?

5.198.10.236 (talk) 15:29, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose The Finnish Wikipedia article does not have separate articles for them (not saying we should do everything like them, but in a topic like this it's a worthy reference point). My understanding of this is that "Ahti" can mean different things depending on the tradition, and "Ahto" is pretty much the same thing and Elias Lönnrot used that spelling in Kalevala. I will remove the split template, because this has gone for a year without comments. --Pudeo (talk) 08:14, 19 September 2019 (UTC)


 * This article needs to stop claiming that "Ahto" is the name of the sea god. His name is primarily Ahti, Ahto is a rare form of his name. Finnish Wikipedia doesn't have a page for Ahti Saarelainen because he is included in the Lemminkäinen page. If English Wikipedia isn't going to kick Ahti the hero out of this page into Lemmikäinen page, then ok, but this page shouldn't claim that the sea god is primarily called Ahto. --Vilutar (talk) 23:44, 28 February 2022 (UTC)