Talk:Airport rail link

Should San Francisco be under commuter rail? Or even one-seat ride? To get from CalTrain, you have to take BART, not exactly an airport train. In addition, once you get to the airport (including if you come from elsewhere on BART) you may want to transfer to AirTrain. Simply extending AirTrain and upgrading CalTrain would have been better than SFO BART, IMO.


 * I moved it. BART is definitely more of a regional/commuter service and its fare structure is based on distance. Regarding train-to-airport though, if it gets you between the city center and at least one (1) part of the airport (in this case, the International Terminal) directly, then it qualifies as a direct rail link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.235.218.88 (talk) 07:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you to User:Jfruh for answering my question. --Jason McHuff 20:21, 29 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I'm wondering how to treat SFO in this list. It's perfectly possible to walk from the BART station to wherever you want to go in the terminal -- BART is immediately adjacent to the International terminal, and the terminals are all physically connected.  But you can transfer directly from BART to SFO's people mover, and because of the airport's size, many do so. --Jfruh 14:45, 3 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I took another stab at it. --agr 16:07, 3 October 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmm...Taking a look at People mover, SFO is not the only airport that has both an external train connection and an internal train. O'hare (where you have to take a long walk to get to the internal train to get to the int'l term) and Atlanta are two.  Also, where do we draw the line for Rail to bus to airport?  Dulles is a long way from the DC metro, though it does have dedicated bus service, and for LGA, you have to take a standard city bus. --Jason McHuff 18:40, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Milwaukee in two categories
Milwaukee's airport is under two categories in this list: "One-seat ride via main-line train," and "Rail to bus to airport". Clearly they both can't be right. To fall into the first category, the train station ought to be in or immediately adjacent to the terminal, and a passenger ought to customarily get from one to the other on foot. Please, can someone who's actually been to Milwaukee's airport clarify the situation there? --Jfruh 19:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Pruning "Rail to bus to airport"
This category is getting filled up with some services that don't really belong there, IMO. It seems to me that for something to actually qualify as train-to-the-plane service but still involve a bus, that bus service ought to be a short-run service entirely dedicated to bringing passengers between the terminal and the train station. I'm thinking here of things like the MBTA's free shuttle to Logan from Airport station on the Blue Line, or the AirBART bus that travels between Coliseum/Oakland Airport station on BART and the Oakland Airport terminal. To follow up on what Jason McHuff said above: in just about any big city with a rail transit infrastructure, it's going to be possible to take a bus from a rail station to the airport, which threatens to clutter this list with services that don't really qualify as plane-to-the-train -- both things like th Dulles Airporter (which is a miles-long trip run by a private company, not Dulles or the WMATA) or the M60 in New York (which is just an ordinary city bus line that happens to connect a train station to LGA).

My proposal would be that for a train-to-bus-to-airport service to qualify for this page it would need to:


 * Be dedicated to transporting passengers from the airport to a rail station
 * Be operated (at least in terms of public branding) by either the airport or the connecting rail agency

What say you all? --Jfruh 19:18, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It would make a good necessary condition, but I'm not sure it should be sufficient. It is not too uncommon to have dedicated bus services operated by the airport that go all the way to the central train station of major city served by the airport -- not because the users are supposed to have arrived by rail, but (partly) because the central station is a hub for city buses or other forms of further local transportation. Henning Makholm 21:49, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm, good point -- this isn't particularly common in North America, but I know of several instances in Europe. How about as additional criteria:


 * The train station connected by bus must be physically close to the airport.
 * or even:
 * The train station connected by bus must be strongly associated, by branding or by name, with the airport. --Jfruh 22:01, 16 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. &mdash; Larry V (talk) 19:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Then I remove Helsinki, that has a public bus line between the airport and a rail station not named after the airport, and it takes clearly longer total time than bus from the inner city. BIL 17:35, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

New categories please! These categories are confusing. There is no need to distinguish between people movers and not using people movers, since most airports are now large, multi-terminal and involve some sort of transfer to get to one's final gate. The point should be is it rail or a lurching bus? I suggest categories in declining order of rail-ness:

Mainline Train to the airport property (either to terminals or to peoplemover) Mainline Train to a shuttle bus to the airport terminals (dedicated shuttle, not a local public transit route)

Subway/LRT to the airport property (either to terminals or to peoplemover)

Subway/LRT to a shuttle bus to the airport terminals (dedicated shuttle, not a local public transit route)

Dedicated transitway BRT to the airport property (either to terminals or to peoplemover)

Dedicated transitway BRT to a shuttle bus to the airport terminals (dedicated shuttle, not a local public transit route)

Local express buses to the airport (too numerous to bother listing, since every city has some version of it.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.131.121.86 (talk) 15:30, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Move proposal
I'm not happy with the title Train-to-the-plane. It sounds more like a marketing term than an encyclopedic article title, and googling suggests that its use is New York specific at least to some degree. Would anyone object to retitling it to Airport rail link instead? Henning Makholm 10:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No objection here. --Jfruh (talk) 14:16, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just stumbled in here. I think that Train to the plane needs to be redirected to the JFK Express which is the NYC Specific article that Henning Makholm is talking about. If not, at least a see other section. Rob110178 22:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Helsinki and Bucharest
In Helsinki there is work in progress on extending the local commuter rail service to cover the airport (estimated to be ready in a few years); as far as I know there is an entry in the Helsinki Commuter Rail section (if not in the English, than in the Finnish Wikipedia), and in Bucharest there is a direct rail link, using an existing track, to a station close to the Otopeni airport, and from there the passengers are taken by buses to the airport (the other airport in Bucharest, Băneasa, is inside the city and has direct access to several city public transportation lines). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.221.16.51 (talk) 17:59, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Friedrichshafen airport
Friedrihshafen airport FDH, a minor airport in Germany also has a rail link with regional trains. airport website or pdf outlining the train connections. FDH is a minor airport, but shouldn't it be included?. Ah, I'll just add it. --84.145.227.90 17:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

Distinguishing between "main-line rail" and "local public transport"
The "One-seat ride via main-line train" section starts out by describing its content as "Commuter rail-type services".

I don't think there is much commuter rail about the kind of trains that call at Frankfurt (Main) Flughafen Fernbahnhof ... in fact, for an airport served by an actual commuter rail service, I would tend to classify it as "local public transport".

How can we explain the distinction between these sections better? Is it possible to distinguish them at all? Perhaps it rather ought to be a three-way split between Many airports have two of these, but not always the same two. Perhaps coalesce the two existing sections, and tag each item with which kinds of service exists? –Henning Makholm (talk) 01:09, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) "intercity rail" (continuing beyond the urban area nominally served by the airport)
 * 2) "dedicated airport express" (without intermediate stops, usually separate fare structure)
 * 3) "local public transport" (local to metro area, not dedicated to airport traffic)


 * I would tend to agree with you. In fact, why bother dividing them into categories at all? The current setup creates a somewhat confusing situation where the same airport might be listed in multiple spots on the page.  I would say that the whole list should be alphabetical by city, or perhaps broken up by continent and then alphabetical within each continet.  The entry for each airport should list all rail connections at that airport. --Jfruh (talk) 19:02, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

orlando international airport has people movers
But its only from terminal to the main building and visa versa, dunno if it should be included.

France
Definition: "from an airport to a nearby city".

TGV in Paris CDG and Lyon-Saint Exupéry airports are not airport rail link considering the above definition. There are no TGV from Paris going to Paris CDG and no TGV or even trains from Lyon to Lyon-Saint Exupéry.

- For Paris CDG, there is currently the RER B, which is a commuter train / rapid transit for the suburbs of Paris. There is going to be a real airport rail link: CDG Express in 2016 (see official site). For Orly, there is the Orlyval which leads to a RER station but not to the city center of Paris. It's not widely used.

- For Lyon, there are only buses (Satobus) from Lyon to the airport (1 hour). There is also going to be a real airport rail link, RhônExpress in 2010 (25 minutes).

These are only clues to improve this article, as I'm a Frenchman not fluent in English and I could be wrong with these airport rail link. I suggest to switch from TGV to RER for Paris CDG. For Lyon, it can be removed or replace TGV by indicating RhônExpress for 2010. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.216.232.253 (talk) 13:50, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

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Updated Taiwanese airport rail link. Taoyuan metro is now operational to Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport; Taipei Songshan airport (TSA) is now added as well as Kaohsiung International Airport's rail link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Unchangingtask (talk • contribs) 05:00, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

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Removals for lack of people mover
I undid edits by IP editor 203.121.198.0 that removed several Asian system because they lack a people mover. Our article includes systems with "intermediate use of people mover or shuttle bus." If there is some need to point out systems that do not include a final people mover, this can be done with a footnote or the like or in a note in the articles about the individual systems. Deleting systems, some major, is not helpful to our readers.--agr (talk) 23:44, 10 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Of all the systems listed under Asia, only Jakarta has a "rail to people mover to airport". If you really want to be specific and consider individual terminals then Bangkok Suvarnabhumi may stay, as it has a heavy rail station to the Main Terminal Building and a people mover from there to SAT-1 Building. All others are either connected via heavy rail or metro to all terminals. There is nothing "people mover"-like about the Tokyo Keikyu Line, Seoul Metro Line or the Delhi Metro Line. They are all direct to heavy rail systems. Hence, Jakarta as my edit. 203.121.198.0 (talk) 07:08, 11 March 2024 (UTC)