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Age of ordination

According to this news article, some other online encyclopaedia has a different age for when Sharpton was ordained. I wouldn't bet that wikipedia is the one in error, but it never hurts to check. -- Cimon Avaro; on a pogostick. (talk) 11:40, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

According to Sharpton, he was ordained at age 9. [1] [2] The biography at his National Action Network is a little vague ("began his ministry at the tender age of four ... Five years later, ... licensed his protégé to be a minister"). [3] Other sources, including Britannica and the biography at his speaker's bureau (I think it's his speaker's bureau), say age 10. [4] [5] I think we should say nine or ten and include two appropriate sources. — Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs) 19:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I suspect it's both variants of "in 1964". If anyone has access to a copy of Go and Tell Pharaoh, that would probably give a date, or at least something more precise... Shimgray | talk | 12:52, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

"Denounced by schoolkids"

I have reverted this addition, after it was already reverted once: "In March 2009 Sharpton was denounced by a group of high school students from Bob Wood's Alabama civil rights travel group for standing them up at a scheduled speech in a Selma church. Sharpton would later state that the church had "been misled." [6].

The source for this was a local newspaper, the Montgomery Advertiser. The exact wording is: "The Rev. Al Sharpton, a controversial New York activist, didn't win any points with the group for his "no show" at Selma's Tabernacle Missionary Baptist Church where hundreds of people waited to hear him speak. Sharpton claimed later that church officials had been "misled" about his appearance. He said he never intended to speak at Tabernacle. The kids from Oakridge High School weren't buying it. Corey Swanson wrote in his blog that he and his classmates "were rudely stood up" by the minister and said Sharpton had gained the "nomination as my least favorite civil rights activist."".

There is more detail in this article, which makes it clear that it was an invitation that was not confirmed, and that Sharpton spoke somewhere elsewhere nearby that day: ""I was invited, but I told them on Wednesday that we were asked to be at Brown Chapel and that's where I was," said Sharpton, who added that Tabernacle members had been "misled." He said Holder planned to "make a commitment" to civil rights, "so I wasn't going to disrespect that request."".

So he was never going to speak to them specifically and he denies having been scheduled to speak. This is a very minor event. Bob Wood and this group of students are not notable, so why refer to them in this article? Fences and windows (talk) 22:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Weight loss? MJ?

Sharpton appears much lighter now, any reason: health issue? New lifestyle? Also, he was apparently close to Michael Jackson --he's on tv about it all te time now. These would be useful additions. --166.205.4.27 (talk) 02:57, 3 July 2009 (UTC)


Reportedly, Al Sharpton became vegetarian - perhaps through the influence of PETA, with whom he had done some advocacy around the cruelties to chickens. The delicate African-American issues around chickens have become salient community conversations among vegetarians when (a) Oprah Winfrey agreed (during an interview with (former cattleman turned vegan) Howard Lyman) to swear off eating burgers (because of mad cow disease) but not to stop her eating chickens, and (b) Al Sharpton came to the defense of the chickens. One reasonably expects some health benefits (particularly at first) when one stops eating fried and/or heavily processed foods, becomes more directly and intentionally health-conscious, begins 'reading labels' and consciously selecting one's foods, is willing to become more of a 'poster child' for exemplary healthful living, etc. MaynardClark (talk) MaynardClark (talk)

Indirect familial relation to Strom Thurmond

This paragraph is incomplete. It doesn't specifically outline how Sharpton is related to Strom Thurmond. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.143.98.31 (talk) 11:37, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

T.V Shows

On September 30th, Al Sharpton will become the guest host of WWE's "Monday Night RAW," where he will become the General Manager for the night. Gibsonj338 (talk) 00:18, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

marriage

is al shapton still married or is he divorced —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.34.246.80 (talk) 01:18, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

question

just a question, maybe i missed it in the article, since he is a minister/reverend, is he affiliated with a church? what i mean is what church does he preach at? i couldnt find it in the article, maybe he doesnt i dont know, but thats what i was trying to find out, where does he preach on sundays usually. i was just curious, but it doesnt seem to be in the article. thanks in advance if anyone knows or can point me in the right direction. have a nice day! Mackdiesel5 (talk) 08:27, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think Sharpton preaches at a specific church every Sunday. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 00:29, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
me either, i looked around some more and couldnt find anything. thanks for the reply. MACKDIESEL5 (talk) 00:46, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

FBI Cocaine Deal

I don't see any information about the FBI cocaine deal tape Sharpton was on. Nor do I see any information about him wearing a wire for the FBI. I think these are significant omissions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki3655 (talk • contribs) 18:27, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I agree. This should definately be added! Bill Heller (talk) 10:34, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Definitely needs adding. here's a good article on this: http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=125909&page=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lazymal (talk • contribs) 12:39, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Any actual proof of ordination?

Can anyone just call himself a "Reverend"? What church recognizes his status as a Reverend? What are his credentials? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.167.164.240 (talk) 05:11, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Have you read the article? See Al Sharpton#Religion. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:09, 7 May 2010 (UTC)


One COULD debate whether one 'ought' to use the title 'Reverend' if one's public presence is deemed to be political rather than 'religious' (as commonly understood), but (a) presenting religious values in public life is widely considered (by both conservatives AND liberals) as legitimate (consider the Harvard Divinity School's programs on 'religion in public life') and (b) Al Sharpton indeed has clearly presented religious positions - including his debate with the late Christopher Hitchens (an agnostic, BTW) on (the knowledge about?) the existence of God (however understood?). MaynardClark (talk)

We should remove the controversy section

Wikipedia articles about living people are not supposed to have a controversy section as these are just a magnet for any negative citation folks can find to drag someone's name through mud. This violates WP:NPV and WP:BLP, especially when each controversy has a headline to draw as much as attention to it as possible. Any controversy should be merged into the relevant section of the article, not given their own section. Mixaphone (talk) 20:55, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

You've got to be kidding me.. Al Sharpton is a textbook controversial figure. Removing the controversy would render this entire article completely useless.

I have a long history of criticizing wikipedia, and its wikipedians like you that are to blame for that. Almost ALWAYS, you guys are WAY more interested in following the strictest of these wiki guidelines, rather than providing the most accurate information for the users.

Wikipedia has such great potential, but it is gimped thanks to this uber-conservative, strict, literal interpretation of what is basically wiki's constitution, that cannot be amended, cannot be questioned, and cannot be criticized.

--24.228.3.70 (talk) 18:30, 14 July 2011 (UTC)


Yeah, but we've all had some debates about Al Sharpton, indeed a very 'colorful' figure in public life - part of his 'historical endearment' as a public persona. MaynardClark (talk)

Edit request from 71.190.4.39, 27 July 2011

{{edit semi-protected}} This Edit Request falls under the category of: " requesting more substantive changes, if they are justified with reference to reliable sources, and not the subject of ongoing discussion" At the end of the "Howard Beach" section, the sentence: "Sharpton's role in the case, which led to the appointment of a special prosecutor by New York Governor Mario Cuomo after the two surviving victims refused to co-operate with the Queens district attorney, helped propel him to national prominence." should be changed to a more accurate description: Sharpton's role in the case, which included advising the two surviving victims to refuse to co-operate with the Queens district attorney who was attempting to investigate and prosecute the case, led to the appointment of special prosecutor Charles J.Hynes, by New York Governor Mario Cuomo. This success in getting the special prosecutor to replace the d.a. for this case, helped propel Sharpton to national prominence. Prosecutor Hynes obtained 9 convictions (including 3 for Manslaughter) of members of the mob who committed the assault before the mob chased Griffith on to the Belt Parkway where he was accidentaly run over by a driver who returned to the scene that night after he realized that he might have hit a person and not debris. Hynes lamented however that Sharpton had actually hindered and not helped, because Sharpton's activisim in the case was focused not on the mob of assailants, but rather on continual demands for the arrest and prosecution for murder of the innocent car driver who had nothing to do with the case. At the rallys and protests Sharpton led, he repeatedly claimed that the driver was part of the Howard Beach mob, when that was in fact not the truth. Hynes also noted that Sharpton's other major role in the story was that he "lobbied for a city-wide boycott of pizza" though Hynes had found that the pizza store and its employees, that the victims had visited just prior to the assault, turned out to have no connection at all to the assault, other than their being White (as was the innocent driver Sharpton demanded the murder prosecution of). Hynes, Charles J. (1990). Incident at Howard Beach: The Case For Murder. Putnam Adult. ISBN 978-0399135002.

In the "Bensonhurst" section, second paragraph, the sentence: "In the weeks following the assault and murder, Sharpton led several marches through Bensonhurst." should be changed to a more accurate description: In the weeks following the assault and murder, Sharpton led several marches through Bensonhurst. Sharpton hindered Brooklyn D.A. Holtzman's efforts to prosecute the case by withholding the cooperation of witnesses while making a demand that the Brooklyn D.A.'s office agree to "hire more Black people". Holtzman obtained 5 convictions including 1 for murder, despite Sharpton's obstruction in the case. Desantis, John (1991). For the Color of His Skin: The Murder of Yusuf Hawkins and the Trial of Bensonhurst. Pharos Books. ISBN 978-0886876210. 71.190.4.39 (talk) 00:44, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I followed your advice below (proper citation, plus being specific on what needed improvement) but was not sure if when I replaced my previous defective request with the (hopefully) improved one above, I was supposed to leave the automatically generated IP stuff. I'm using Verizon DSL so I probably have an all new IP today despite being the same person at the same computer.

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. When you use this template to request a change, you need to put exactly what text you want added, where it should go, and enough information about your sources to cite them (see {{Cite book}} for the type of information to provide, if it's a book you are citing). --Darkwind (talk) 00:07, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Note for anyone reviewing this request: The request was updated after the "not done" response and now includes much more detail, so it should be actionable now. That said, given the nature of the material, I believe some input from other editors supporting or opposing the requested changes would be desirable before making the edits. --RL0919 (talk) 00:52, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for noticing my updates! I was wondering if page numbers are needed. If so the DeSantis quote is from page 190 of his book and the exact wording there is: "The cooperation of Troy Banner, Claude Stanford, and Luther Sylvester would be withdrawn from the case unless the Brooklyn District Attorney's office evinced a willingness to hire more blacks". The Hynes quote is from page 95 of his book and the exact wording there is: "Then, with others, he [Sharpton] called for a citywide boycott on pizza." John DeSantis was the UPI and Washington Post reporter covering the Yusuf Hawkins case, and Charles Hynes is, of course, the Brooklyn District Attorney and was the prosecutor in the Howard Beach case. There are other interesting facts about these two major incidents missing from the current text, for example (DeSantis, page 168) wrote that Sharpton said, referring to David Dinkins: " 'That n-----'s been to so many synagogues wearing so many yarmulkes he's getting a bald spot on the back of his head.' the activist said during dinner at Junior's restaurant in Brooklyn, one of his frequent haunts." That one arguably says something about Mr. Sharpton's character, prejudices, and insensitivity, but I think that the other two points I originally covered above, are more important, because they show, from reliable sources, Rev. Sharpton's "contribution" to Howard Beach and Bensonhurst more accurately than what is currently in those sections of the Wikipedia entry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.5.226 (talk) 02:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I have trouble with using Hynes as a source about Sharpton and his conflict with ... Hynes. I also think there's original research in the proposed change concerning Bensonhurst. The source (as quoted above) supports the statement that Sharpton threatened to withhold cooperation of three witnesses unless more Blacks were hired. I don't see "hindering prosecution" or "obstruction". Those sound like embellishments. (And since hindering prosecution and obstruction of justice are both felonies, accusing Sharpton of either is a WP:BLP violation.) — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:17, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Though I think I was following the guidelines: "Articles should be written in your own words while substantially retaining the meaning of the source material", I do see your point about the use of the term "hindered" or "obstruction" in my description,because as you correctly point out, these words do also have meaning in a more specific way in the context of a legal proceeding. So I would reword my "own words" as follows: 1) Instead of: "that Sharpton had actually hindered and not helped", substitute "that Sharpton had burdened and not helped". (Howard Beach) 2) Instead of: "Sharpton's obstruction in the case", substitute "Sharpton's impediments in the case". (Bensonhurst) As for the your "having trouble with using Hynes as a source about Sharpton", if we can not use as a source the actual special prosecuter in the case (for which we give Sharpton credit, for getting him appointed, no less!), for the Howard Beach section in the Al Sharpton article, then Wikipedia would be something other than what its guidelines say it is. I am new here (and am now inspired to get a login!), but it is my understanding that Wikipedia entries on people are supposed to provide relevent facts accurately, and not sanitize or conceal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.11.235 (talk) 14:15, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

I was just offering my own opinion regarding Hynes: since he and Sharpton clashed frequently and publicly, I'm not sure Hynes is a particularly good source concerning Sharpton. Hopefully other editors will comment here and we can see what they think. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:37, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Procedural: cancelled out the {{edit semi-protected}} for now; if there is clear consensus here (and a current editor does not just do it - use another.  Chzz  ►  19:36, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

I would like to request that an editor make two changes/additions to the Al Sharpton Wikipedia entry. I think that my edit suggestions are important and warranted, because they show, from reliable sources, Rev. Sharpton's contribution to Howard Beach and Bensonhurst more accurately than what is currently in those sections of the Wikipedia entry. The exact quotes and page numbers that contain information referenced are noted by me above, in the discussion. Here is my proposed text:

In the Howard Beach section, At the end of the "Howard Beach" section, the sentence: "Sharpton's role in the case, which led to the appointment of a special prosecutor by New York Governor Mario Cuomo after the two surviving victims refused to co-operate with the Queens district attorney, helped propel him to national prominence." should be changed to a more accurate description:

Sharpton's role in the case, which included advising the two surviving victims to refuse to co-operate with the Queens district attorney who was attempting to investigate and prosecute the case, led to the appointment of special prosecutor Charles J.Hynes, by New York Governor Mario Cuomo. This success in getting the special prosecutor to replace the d.a. for this case, helped propel Sharpton to national prominence. Prosecutor Hynes obtained 9 convictions (including 3 for Manslaughter) of members of the mob who committed the assault before the mob chased Griffith on to the Belt Parkway where he was accidentaly run over by a driver who returned to the scene that night after he realized that he might have hit a person and not debris. Hynes lamented however that Sharpton had actually burdened and not helped, because Sharpton's activisim in the case was focused not on the mob of assailants, but rather on continual demands for the arrest and prosecution for murder, of the innocent car driver who had nothing to do with the case. At the rallys and protests Sharpton led, he repeatedly claimed that the driver was part of the Howard Beach mob, when that was in fact not the truth. Hynes also noted that Sharpton's other major role in the story was that he "lobbied for a city-wide boycott of pizza" though Hynes had found that the pizza store and its employees, that the victims had visited just prior to the assault, turned out to have no connection at all to the assault, other than their being White (as was the innocent driver Sharpton demanded the murder prosecution of). Hynes, Charles J. (1990). Incident at Howard Beach: The Case For Murder. Putnam Adult. ISBN 978-0399135002.

In the "Bensonhurst" section, second paragraph, the sentence: "In the weeks following the assault and murder, Sharpton led several marches through Bensonhurst." should be changed to a more accurate description:

In the weeks following the assault and murder, Sharpton led several marches through Bensonhurst. Sharpton impeded Brooklyn D.A. Holtzman's efforts to prosecute the case by withholding the cooperation of witnesses while making a demand that the Brooklyn D.A.'s office agree to "hire more Black people". Holtzman obtained 5 convictions including 1 for murder, despite Sharpton's impediments in the case. Desantis, John (1991). For the Color of His Skin: The Murder of Yusuf Hawkins and the Trial of Bensonhurst. Pharos Books. ISBN 978-0886876210.

I thought it automatically put in the signature for my updated request above. If not, here goes: 71.190.8.100 (talk) 19:52, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

al sharpton's mother died today ( 3/22/2012)....please add to his page or bio

....just heard on the news today, that al sharpton's mother died in alabama.......please post this info. to his page or bio.......thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hellen706 (talk • contribs) 23:54, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

why not change/update his picture to reflect him as a television host?

I found a picture(s) on Google of him you might be interested in adding. They are updated and do not show him frowning.

the pictures on google

--Dekema2 (talk) 21:28, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

In almost all cases, the photos found in a Google search are subject to copyright. Wikipedia's policies require that we use "free" (non-copyrighted) photos of living people. (See WP:NFCC.) We have a collection of free images at Commons here. If you think another picture looks better than the one currently in use, go ahead and change it. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 02:25, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Michael Jackson "controversy"

I completely fail to see how his quote at the Michael Jackson eulogy could in any way be construed as controversy. I can't be the only one. I deleted it, it's inane and unnecessary. Feel free to add it back if you have further evidence you can include that can explain why it is legitimately controversial. Rjcripe (talk) 00:30, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

What Church does he lead?

His title is that of a minister, but there doesn't seem to be any mention of the church he belongs to/leads. Is he a minister in name only or what's the deal with that? 24.207.129.95 (talk) 17:34, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

  • It means he's an actual minister. He was ordained in the Pentecostal church when he was ten years old, then became Baptist later.
He's been a civil rights activist and preacher all his life. – Teammm (talk · email) 21:50, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

you didn't answer the question. Does he lead a church? Which one? 24.207.129.95 (talk) 05:34, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

One question you asked, which church Sharpton belongs to, was answered. In answer to your other question, as far as I know Sharpton doesn't have a church at which he preaches regularly. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 18:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Al Sharpton as a vegetarian and animal advocate

Rev. Sharpton has spoken out against the oppression of chickens and spoke for a PETA-sponsored action against KFC. Further, he recently (December 29, 2011) announced that he has become vegetarian after the moral and intellectual influence of the late Coretta Scott King. http://www.afro.com/sections/news/Health/story.htm?storyid=73602

I think this point deserves a small section because it *signals a change in his public persona*.

Al Sharpton as a "race hustler"

Rush Limbaugh [7] [8]

Rich Lowry [9]

Michelle Malkin [10]

Mona Charen [11]

I know when I think of Sharpton the first thing that comes to mind is "race hustler." This seems like a common meme and I'm surprised it isn't mentioned in this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.220.235.200 (talk) 00:31, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Wow. Four race hustlers accuse Sharpton of being a race hustler. Film at 11. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:17, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

One does not need to resort to conservative commentators, as the person above does, to see that Al Sharpton has done more to harm race relations in New York City than to help. In fact, in my own attempt to solicit revision to the misleading and inaccurate current narrative describing Al Sharpton's divisive, destructive, and unjust (prosecute the driver for murder?) "contributions" to the Howard Beach attack and the Bensonhurst attack, I cited two very fair minded, objective, and reliable sources whose credentials are beyond reproach. Yet my request for any editor to make these changes to the semi protected article has resulted in no result. Apparantly you, Mr. Malik Shabazz, are "in charge" of the Al Sharpton Wikipedia page, and I concede defeat to you. Anonymous users, however fair minded and however much they follow Wikipedia rules, are impotent when faced with someone dedicated to being guardian of entrenched fluff pieces that hide inconvenient facts. You win. I now see that I have to become a registered user to even hope to have a chance of getting the Wikipedia Al Sharpton entries for Howard Beach and Bensonhurst to reflect the truth. Sharpton may have gotten Hynes, but Hynes got the convictions despite, not because of, Sharptons efforts to tar the driver and the pizza place. And Holtzman got the convictions in Bensonhurst despite Sharpton, not because of him. It seems as though the entire raison detre of the Howard Beach and Bensonhurst Al Sharpton Wikipedia entries is for the single minded purpose of sanitizing the Sharpton role there, and to tar and feather these entire communities. In Howard Beach, who called 911 during the attack, and said please send the police some teens are beating a Black man? Yup, the White residents of Howard Beach, whose houses the mob of thugs passed by. But you wouldn't know it from Wikipedia. 96.224.55.81 (talk) 02:19, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Then there's the responsibility issue. Did Sharpton say that the impetus for evicting the black record store owner from the space he had sublet for 20 years (at Freddie's) came from the white Jew who was leasing the entire space, or did he do anything to avoid obscuring the fact that it was the black Pentacostal church who owned the building who wanted the black record store owner out? (See ARTID=35128 Carl F. Horowitz's article in Front Page Magazine about this.) --Uncle Ed (talk) 17:47, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
The comment from Malik Shabazz is beyond hilarious. I would be willing to bet he doesn't have even the most minute idea of who Mona Charen or Rich Lowry are. Sharpton is a race-baiting bigot who makes David Duke look like Albert Schweitzer. This entire pathetic entry serves as nothing more than an apologia that whitewashes Sharpton's well-documented DECADES-long history of racism. His long history of homophobia is reduced to a couple of sentences followed by an insanely disingenous, and hilarious, claim that Sharpton is some sort of champion of gay rights. His equally long history of virulent anti-semitism is similary glossed-over, with the section on the Crown Heights riot barely mentioning his involvement with that entire episode. The description of Sharpton's inflammatory involvement in the Bensonhurst incident minimizes his racist bomb-throwing to such a degree that one wonders why the "author" even bothered to bring it up in the first place. The audio clips, played on national radio by Opie and Anthony, in which Sharpton can be heard directing racial slurs at Asians before telling people not to patronize Chinese or Korean businesses? No mention. The audio of Sharpton calling David Dinkins a nigger? No mention of that either. The guy is easily one of the most toxic racists of the past quarter century, yet this entry pretends his lengthy history of racism, anti-semitism and anti-gay bigotry merely involved nothing more than a tangential connection to a few minor episodes. And the claim that Rich Lowry, Mona Charen or Michelle Malkin are somehow comparable to Sharpton is nothing short of complete and total bullshit. But one should not be surprised that such a tactic is being used in defense of a man who has done nothing but accuse others or racism while ignoring his own George Lincoln Rockwell-esque levels of racial hatred. This entire entry should be completely rewritten, by someone who is willing to actually document Sharpton's long and sordid history of bigotry.74.138.44.226 (talk) 08:37, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

comments on gays

SHARPTON SAID BAD THINGS ABOUT GAYS THAT REALLY OFFENDS ME WHY DO WE LABEL HIM AS A GOOD GUY WHEN HE IS NOT!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.98.142.166 (talk) 05:58, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Megan Williams Case

How about this case "'Race attack' victim: I lied"?

This case has the same pattern with Tawana Brawley's case and it is also related to Al Sharpton.

Should this case also be added to the article?

- Jflycn (talk) 02:28, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Go ahead and add it. Has it been mentioned in any sources beside the New York Post? — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:10, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Al Sharpton Bio Updates

Someone with editing privileges please make the following changes. I have included the sources after the paragraphs. If you know how to properly insert the sources please do. I am new to editing and not sure of all the editing features yet.

Please include the following under the "Early Years" section


Upon graduation in 1972, he accepted the position of youth director for the presidential campaign of the now former African-American Congresswoman Shirley Chisholm.

Source:

CNN Fast Facts: Al Sharpton http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/al-sharpton-fast-facts


Please include the following under the "Controversy" section.


Encounter with the FBI and being a U.S. Informant

In 2002 HBO's Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel aired a 19-year old FBI videotape of an undercover sting operation showing Al Sharpton in a discussion with an FBI undercover agent, Victor Quintana, posing as a Latin American businessman and former Colombo crime family captain Michael Franzese. During the discussion Quintana offered Sharpton a 10% commission for arranging drug sales. Sharpton mostly nods and allows the FBI agent to do most of the talking. At one point in the tape he states, "Well, if [the unnamed buyer] can, if he's gonna do it, he'll do it much more than that." No drug deal was ever consummated, and no charges were brought against Sharpton as a result of the tape. However, Sharpton has admitted in 1988 that he informed for the government in order stem the flow of crack cocaine in black neighborhoods. He has denied informing on civil rights leaders. Sharpton cooperated with the office of then United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York Andrew J. Maloney III.

Sources:

Protest Figure Reported To Be a U.S. Informant
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/01/21/nyregion/protest-figure-reported-to-be-a-us-informant.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
New York Times. January 21, 1988

Sharpton: Champion or Opportunist?
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/02/24/nyregion/sharpton-champion-or-opportunist.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm
New York Times. February 24, 1988

A 19-Year-Old F.B.I. Videotape Keeps Pulling Sharpton Back to the Past
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/25/nyregion/a-19-year-old-fbi-videotape-keeps-pulling-sharpton-back-to-the-past.html
New York Times. July 25, 2002


Please include the following under the "Controversy" section.


LoanMax Spokesman

In 2005, Sharpton was previously a television pitchman for LoanMax, an automobile title loan company for which he was was criticized because LoanMax specializes in high-yield auto title loans, reportedly charging fees which are the equivalent of 300% APR loans.

Source:

Loan Ranger: If You've Got a Car, He's Got the Keys to Cash
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/28/AR2005112802025.html
Washington Post. November 29, 2005


Please include the following under "Television Appearances" section.

Television Fight

In 1988, while appearing the Morton Downey Jr. Show filmed at the Apollo Theater, Al Sharpton and Congress of Racial Equality (also known as CORE) National Chairman Roy Innis got into a heated argument about the Tawana Brawley case and Innis shoved Sharpton to the floor. After Sharpton took a fall offstage, he got up and came after Innis, and Downey and staff security was forced to intervene.

Sources:

Innis Shoves Sharpton To Floor at TV Taping
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/08/10/nyregion/innis-shoves-sharpton-to-floor-at-tv-taping.html
New York Times. August 10, 1988

Footage of the fight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPWQ4oVP-3Q


Megalisten (talk) 07:39, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Done, with reasonable edits for brevity and clarity. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 July 2013

I'm submitting the following for consideration: The article indicates that Al Sharpton preached his first sermon at age four. However, the source/reference given indicates that he actually began preaching sermons to his sister's dolls at age three, which seems more likely. This should probably be clarified for accuracy.

Thanks.

Worldwordwizard (talk) 02:58, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Thanks, but the cited source states "Since Sharpton was 3, donning his mother's bathrobe as vestments and lining up his sister's dolls as a congregation, he has stepped to his own beat. When he was 4, he preached his first sermon...". So it doesn't say he preached a sermon to the dolls, and explicitly says his first sermon was preached at age 4. Adrian J. Hunter(talk•contribs) 14:03, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Weight loss

Article lacked discussion of his apparent weight loss. I've added section on it.Dogru144 (talk) 21:29, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

Film actor?

Why is Sharpton in the "film actor" category? He has had some film roles, but seems to play only himself. He is not otherwise listed in the article as a film actor. Unless there is a good explanation I think this needs to go. Coretheapple (talk) 23:08, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Picture

Would this picture be a good addition? Jim.henderson (talk) 05:42, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

No. What does it add to the article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.254.127.204 (talk) 22:28, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Moving "Tawana Brawley controversy" section under "Activism"

How do other editors feel about moving the "Tawana Brawley controversy" section, currently under "Controversy," to the "Activism" section? Sharpton was involved with the case in much the same way as he was with other cases; the chief distinction is that in Brawley's case, the consensus point of view is that Sharpton had it wrong. The current article organization may violate WP:NPOV; the use of a separate "criticism" or "controversy" section is practical for most topics, but in this case, the article presents a long list of Sharpton's activism (and activism has a generally positive connotation) while being light on the controversy generated by that same activism. Particularly regarding the Brawley case, I think it makes sense to place the activism and controversy into the Activism section.Knight of Truth (talk) 21:03, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 16:54, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

no....

moving it under activism seems like its not correct since he did lie about it.... idk why he is here mr luther king was much better, why is this guy so annoying, like bacon? lol seriously though if he was ordered to pay he should've paid, or course he and corporations can pay their way out so idk we have them either.174.19.171.216 (talk) 01:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 November 2014 - not vegan

Regarding the "Weight loss" section, please delete

He became a vegan, eliminating animal protein from his diet.

Sources:

Vegetarians don't eat fish and he's definitely not vegan (eggs, fish).

Eaqq (talk) 15:27, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Middle name is Charles

http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/22/us/al-sharpton-fast-facts/ "Birth name: Alfred Charles Sharpton, Jr." Eaqq (talk) 15:34, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Reference does not support claim - claim should be removed from article

In the article under Political Views | Criminal Justice is the following statement: "But evidence suggests this could be due to policing and legal practices that target African-Americans, not due to propensity to commit a crime." This statement is supported by a Slate article referenced as 71 in the article and linked here: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2014/08/broken_windows_policing_deaths_racism_in_chokeholds_arrests_and_convictions.html. But there is in fact *no* evidence in the article or referenced in the article to support the statement. The article *does* make the following statement of *opinion* - "There’s no question that relative to their population, black Americans hold a disproportionate share of arrests and convictions for crime. But it’s important we don’t confuse that with a propensity for crime. Put another way, black overrepresentation in crime statistics has as much to do with policing and the legal process as it does with the actual crimes committed." But that statement of *opinion* is not supported by any facts or external reference at all. The claim that "...evidence suggests..." should be removed from the original article or scholarly research that actually supports the claim should be reference, not an opinion in a non-scientific piece. I'd do it, but the article appears to be locked for editing.157.185.95.35 (talk)mjd — Preceding undated comment added 20:00, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I removed that sentence. Eaqq (talk) 17:14, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Pentecostal or Baptist minister?

I understand that Rev. Sharpton converted to the Baptist denomination, but was he ordained into it as well? If not, is he still a Pentecostal minister? Ulpian (talk) 23:08, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

In 1964, Sharpton was ordained as a Pentecostal minister. In February 1994, he converted from Pentecostal to Baptist and returned to preaching. I don't know the answer to your questions. Eaqq (talk) 17:18, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't believe that the page should link to the American Baptist Churches USA page. Reverend Sharpton's church, Bethany Baptist Church in Brooklyn, NY, does not appear to be affiliated with the ABCUSA. [1] [2] Rpheller (talk) 06:30, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2014

Please add the following passage to the end of "Tax Issues" section as this is a new piece of information from trustworthy (New York Times) sources.

Al Sharpton is estimated to owe $4.5 million taxes as of November 2014. "As Sharpton Rose, So Did His Unpaid Taxes". Mr. Sharpton has regularly sidestepped the sorts of obligations most people see as inevitable, like taxes, rent and other bills. Records reviewed by The New York Times show more than $4.5 million in current state and federal tax liens against him and his for-profit businesses.} ZCodeNoob (talk) 21:35, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

As phrased the content is definitely pushing an inappropriate personal commentary. Rephrased in a neutral impartial manner, it could well be appropriate. -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 21:46, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
 Done — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 21:54, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.bethanybklyn.org/
  2. ^ http://www.abc-usa.org/find-a-church/

WP:LEAD

I think the lead is too long. What do you think? --Buffaboy (formerly Dekema2) (talk) 19:04, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

The article is 28K of readable prose. According to WP:LEADLENGTH, two or three paragraphs is an appropriate length for the lead. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:22, 12 December 2014 (UTC)
That makes sense, I just remember hearing somewhere the lead was supposed to summarize an article in short paragraphs (this looked a little longer), but I don't really know the guidelines that well.--Buffaboy (formerly Dekema2) (talk) 04:12, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I think the lead is missing important information. It does not give a summary of how he first began to earn a living, or refer to his education. The sentence "In 1963 Sharpton's father left his wife to have a relationship with Al Sharpton's half-sister," is also very puzzling. His half sister must be the daughter of one of his parents, so it appears that his father left his mother for an older daughter of Al Sharpton's mother. Some information about the parents' ages and the circumstances of their lives would help to orient the reader to how Al Sharpton's was brought up. These circumstances must be interesting, since they include preaching at a very young age and somehow being able to tour with Mahalia Jackson. There is also no context for his connection to James Brown. Janice Vian, Ph.D. (talk) 00:34, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Crown Heights

Does anyone else think the Crown Heights section could use some work? It misleadingly provides only the one side of events in which an ambulance from a jewish service came and got the driver while the kid was pinned under the car. What actually happened was that the jewish EMTs came and saw the driver getting beaten by 3 or 4 men as he was pulled out of the car, and the rushed to intervene. A city ambulance then also arrived and took one of the two children, and then another jewish ambulance came and took the other child to a hospital. I know this happened in 91, which was honestly like the year I was born, but still. It bugs me that the events as told in this article are so different from those told in the main crown heights article.--Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 05:31, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 December 2014

This article states that Al Sharpton is an American Baptist Minister, and links directly to American Baptist Churches USA. This statement is incorrect. Later in the article under Personal Life: Religion, it is stated that Sharpton was ordained Pentecostal.

I work as Assistant Director of Communications for American Baptist Churches USA, and our office has gotten calls about this related to the wikipedia article. Would you please edit this at your convenience?

Thank you, Bridget Holmstrom Bholm823 (talk) 19:52, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Not done: If you look further down the section Al_Sharpton#Religion section, it is noted that he converted to Baptist in 1994. This is quite well sourced and virtually every news outlet currently describes him as such. If you can make a good case that his particular denomination of Baptist is not in line with American Baptist Churches USA, I can re-link the Baptist mention in the first sentence from American Baptist Churches USA to a more broad category. Cannolis (talk) 20:19, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Sharpton's church, Bethany Baptist Church in Brooklyn, New York, is not affiliated with American Baptist Churches USA, according to its Web site[1].

Thank you, Richard Heller Rpheller (talk) 16:04, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I've replaced the article's link to American Baptist Churches USA with a link to Baptists. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 19:13, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ http://www.abc-usa.org/find-a-church/

Introductory Sentence

Should the first sentence have anything somewhat subjective, even if it's quoted? I think it should be just objective info. The "according to 60 Minutes, has become President Barack Obama's "go-to black leader." should really go somewhere further down in the first section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.12.188.164 (talk) 04:28, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 September 2015

Al appeared as a sophomore in the Tilden class of 1970 yearbook. He was on the debate team and is pictured with the team. He is not listed as a graduate of Tilden in any of the yearbooks from 1970 thru 1973. His name also does not appear in the camera shy section of any yearbook. One of his bios mentions he graduated in 1972(which was his class) along with Willie Randolph. While, Willie appears in the yearbook, Al does not. Did He if fact graduate High School? Tilden yearbooks can be accessed online @ stevemorse.org/SJtilden/yearbooks

100.37.63.96 (talk) 03:37, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

 Not done. According to an article in the New York Times, it looks like he boycotted yearbook photo day.[1] Inomyabcs (talk) 22:35, 29 September 2015 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Roberts, Sam (17 December 2006). "When Tilden Was The World". NY Times. Retrieved 29 September 2015.

Semi-protected edit request on 13 October 2015

The "Controversy" section of this article is sourced only with primary sources. Where's the controversy?!? Please delete it unless secondary sources can be provided indicating that there are genuine controversies surrounding these comments. Otherwise rename the section "Dumb things Sharpton has said, in the opinion of anonymous Wikipedia editor Yaakovaryeh". Thank you. 66.87.114.15 (talk) 17:40, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Not done: That section includes sources such as USA Today, the Washington Post, CNN, the New York Times, and many others. I fail to see the problem. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 18:46, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Introductory Sentence

That first sentence isn't remotely appropriate for an objective Wikipedia article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.61.93.87 (talk) 04:44, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

Could you be specific about what's inappropriate? I didn't write it, but it seems to me that the sentence describes who Sharpton is ("an American civil rights activist, Baptist minister, television/radio talk show host") and the political influence he wields ("a trusted White House adviser who, according to 60 Minutes, has become President Barack Obama's 'go-to black leader.'") — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:54, 19 March 2016 (UTC)

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Inaccuracies on website

There are a number of inaccuracies related to this entry and I would like to update Jamalericwatson (talk) 11:24, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

The National Action Network subheading has a sentence calling him "Dr. Sharpton." He does not have a doctorate. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5C0:C001:B13:EDBB:8434:86:C386 (talk) 04:54, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for pointing out that error. I've removed his "doctorate". — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 06:12, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

Controversy section is lacking (details on NAN related controversies)

The last sentence/paragraph of the controversy section only mentions one of points mentioned in the quoted article, but leave out points such as:

"With the tax liability outstanding, Mr. Sharpton traveled first class and collected a sizable salary, the kind of practice by nonprofit groups that the United States Treasury’s inspector general for tax administration recently characterized as “abusive,” or “potentially criminal” if the failure to turn over or collect taxes is willful.

Mr. Sharpton and the National Action Network have repeatedly failed to pay travel agencies, hotels and landlords. He has leaned on the generosity of friends and sometimes even the organization, intermingling its finances with his own to cover his daughters’ private school tuition.

The article also states: "He often used strident language that many saw as inflaming racial tensions. During rallies at the Slave Theater in Brooklyn, he characterized black people who disagreed with him as “yellow niggers” and called white people “crackers.”... referred to the neighborhood’s Hasidic Jews as “diamond merchants.” In 1995, he referred to a Harlem businessman who wanted to expand his store into a space that had been occupied by a black-owned business as a “white interloper.”

As well as many other points not mentioned in the article. (Another good source is Nonprofitquarterly.) Yaakovaryeh (talk) 13:09, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

Introductory sentence is out of date

"...and a trusted White House adviser who, according to 60 Minutes, has become President Barack Obama's "go-to black leader.""

Since President Obama is no longer in office, and I very much doubt that the Trump administration considers Sharpton "a trusted White House advisor," this sentence should be either removed or revised to past tense.

Vapor314 (talk) 22:25, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Go ahead and make the change. This being a WP:BLP makes that all the more appropriate.47.151.141.123 (talk) 01:01, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
Um, that sentence was changed nearly two weeks ago. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 01:18, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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Removal of Category:Critics of Islamophobia from this article and removal of category by User: Cpt.a.haddock

This article is in the category "Critics of Islamophobia", but there seems to be no source to this.

There is a discussion about the inclusion of articles that are in this category at category "Critics of Islamophobia".

I am trying to understand if a source is needed to categorize it also for this and all other articles. There are many articles where the article is categorized and it is sourced to a published article.

User:Cpt.a.haddock is removing this category from several pages even though it is sourced to published article. He says it is not enough for categorization. (For example, at Vinay Lal the categorization is sourced to this article: V. Lal: Implications of American Islamophobia, Economic and Political Weekly, Vol. 50, Issue No. 51, 19 Dec, 2015. But even then, the category was removed by User Cpt.a.Haddock.)

See his contributions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Cpt.a.haddock

The question is, is this enough for categorization? If this source is not good enough, I do not understand how this article is categorized in the category without sources. --Sebastianmaali (talk) 16:06, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi Sebastianmaali. This article doesn't belong in the category because, regardless of what Sharpton feels about Islamophobia, the article says nothing about it. See WP:CAT#Articles: "Categorization of articles must be verifiable. It should be clear from verifiable information in the article why it was placed in each of its categories." (emphasis in original) — MShabazz Talk/Stalk 19:30, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

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Controversy section

Controversy sections are against the wikipedia manual of style. This article needs to be reformatted to put all the text into a chronological order and maybe some summaries of particular issues. Ashmoo (talk) 15:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Ordination

A source is needed for the proposition that Sharpton is a Baptist Minister. Sources indicate that Sharpton was ordained in the Pentecostal Church and later was baptised in the Baptist Church, but not that he was ordained or otherwise credentialed or certified by any Baptist denomination. Without such a source, he should be identified as a Pentecostal minister. Ulpian (talk) 00:52, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know anything about Christian ordinations, but I found a 1994 news article that says Sharpton was a Pentecostal minister, he was re-baptized as a Baptist, and "is now a Baptist minister". I'll add it as a source. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:00, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
I didn't add the article because there are already two sources for that sentence, including a 1994 article from The New York Times. However, the article says "Mr. Sharpton said he planned to be ordained as a Baptist minister sometime in the future." Again, as I don't know anything about whether Baptists have ordination requirements for people to become ministers, I have to take the sources at face value that he is a minister, with or without formal ordination (I don't know whether he was ever ordained, but my difficulty finding a source that says he was makes me suspect he was not). If reliable sources indicate that his denomination of Baptists requires a formal ordination of its ministers, we should fix the article. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:20, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Civil rights Activist

Should we change to political activist his history towards Jews and other non African Americans does not reflect him being a civil rights activist.72.22.189.98 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:54, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


I agree change it to political activist.173.166.127.233 (talk) 15:34, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

I have to agree as well. As of now political activist would be more fitting, considering his somewhat recent history. There's so much controversy around him as well (only 1/3 of which is covered on the page), I'd be hard pressed to believe him a proponent of civil liberties. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.141.212.30 (talk) 22:43, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Larry Elder is more a civil rights activist/statesman, on the order of Martin Luther King Jr, than is Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson, even put together, such controversialist extraordinaires. FormerTrafficCrashPupil (talk) 20:39, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

"Bloodsuckers"

The reference for him calling Jews "bloodsuckers" doesn't say that he said it, it says that protesters said it and gives no primary sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cathasach.C (talk • contribs) 17:27, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2020

23:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)23:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)23:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)~ Why is there no mention of Sharpton's involvement with the Tawana Brawley case? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_Brawley_rape_allegations 2604:6000:1116:19A:8CB2:BF5C:68B1:B844 (talk) 23:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC) 2604:6000:1116:19A:8CB2:BF5C:68B1:B844 (talk) 23:23, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP (talk • contribs) 01:04, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2020

Says in the leade, "Al Sharpton has been proven to be a dishonest person who lied about the Tawana Brawley case." Even if this is the case, it should be removed, per WP:WIKIVOICE 108.56.157.88 (talk) 03:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC) 108.56.157.88 (talk) 03:49, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

 Done JTP (talk • contribs) 04:23, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Tawana Brawley?

Why NOTHING on this? 108.50.250.134 (talk) 18:05, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Minister?

The article reads as if he just "became" a minister with no training or education. Is this correct? On what basis is the title "Reverend" conferred on him? DavidFarmbrough (talk) 02:30, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

"Indirect Biological Relation to Strom Thurmond"

Unless I'm reading this section incorrectly, don't you folks think this is misleading? This suggests a biological relation to a slave that was owned by somebody who is of biological relation to Strom Thurmond. The way the section reads, you'd assume Al Sharpton and Strom Thrumond are distant cousins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.175.105.130 (talk) 11:15, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Tawana Brawley

Where's Tawana Brawley on Sharpton's Wiki page? He was as vocal, or more so, than anyone else on her behalf. Is there an ideological reason to exclude this debacle? 2600:1700:9D0:12B0:C8EE:9EFE:B142:B763 (talk) 19:26, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Should we have a section on anti-Semitism?

Under controversies, there's a section on Mormons and a section on racial/homophobic comments. I'm not going to push this if there isn't much support for it, but should we consider adding a section on anti-Semitism? Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 01:41, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

The Crown Heights riots and the attack on Freddie's are currently misplaced under "Activism" instead of "Controversy." That needs to be fixed. Those 2 episodes need to be included under "Controversy," just as the "Tawana Brawley rape case" is. Once that has been done, we can combine the anti-Jewish comments as a third category of negative comments after "Comments on Mormons" and "Racial and homophobic comments".

UClaudius (talk) 03:43, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

@UClaudius: I agree with your recommendation. I moved the subsections as you suggested, if nobody objects, we can then combine and relabel. Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 04:05, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
I reverted my changes, I don't really have the energy to get into another argument right now. Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 13:55, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
Did someone object?

72.88.222.245 (talk) 18:07, 23 June 2021 (UTC)


yes definitely, Sharpton's antisemitism must be documented — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.47.133.184 (talk) 04:07, 19 January 2022 (UTC)

Glboe = Globe

locked article2603:8000:D300:D0F:D5D:8295:289E:24F5 (talk) 06:05, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

 Fixed. Thanks. –CWenger (^ • @) 14:53, 15 June 2022 (UTC)

“Marsha Tinsley (less than a year)”

I feel like this was purposely written with an agenda in mind. If they were only married during one year, why not just put that year in the brackets instead? 2.103.27.174 (talk) 21:37, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

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