Talk:Aleksander Brückner

Assessment
Add some heading and inline itations, and it's easily a B-class article. Wizardman 16:07, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

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Aleksander Brückner is called Polish even on German Wikipedia (despite your quick recent attempt to change that). Think about that for a moment before you make more reverts. Consider that just because someone has a German sounding name, that does not make him a German. And the fact that Galicia belonged to Habsburg Austria certainly does not make all of its inhabitants German. Balcer 03:10, 6 June 2007 (UTC) -- '''Aleksander Brückner was born and lived in Habsburg Austrian Galizien Galicia for about 20 years, then in Berlin, Germany for nearly 60 years. That makes him Polish, according to Balcer and Wikipedia. You think about that '''!!!

Balcer himself also changed Wikipedia.de- German-language Wikipedia to 'Pole Aleksander Brückner, Polnisch'.

This information posted here, because of ongoing removals by Balcer:

"Aleksander also Alexander Brückner (1856 Tarnopol - 1939 Berlin) was a Berlin University Professor of Slavistics (Slavic languages and literatures), philologist, lexicographer and historian of literature, who wrote in Slavic and German. He is among the most notable scholars of Polish of the late 19th century and early 20th century, as well as the first to prepare complete monographs on the history of the Polish language and culture. He published more than 1,500 titles.

Aleksander Brückner was born January 29, 1856, in Tarnopol in Habsburg eastern Galicia (now Ternopil, Ukraine), to a family of Galicia Germans."

Dr. A. Brückner was not born in Poland, did not live in Poland, rather he lived about 20 years in Habsburg Austrian Galizien Galicia and almost 60 years until his death in 1939 in Berlin, Germany. Yet Balcer and thereby Wilipedia repeatedly declares him Polish and a nationalistic Pole.

Also Balcer feels entitled to strip Dr. A. Brückner, Professor in Berlin, of his Professor title and of his citizenship in Berlin, Germany.  -
 * It's you who is trying to strip this great Polish scholar of his nationality. What else is new? Balcer 06:23, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

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'''Aleksander Brückner, Professor of Slavistics, was born and lived in Habsburg Austrian Galizien Galicia for about 20 (Twenty) years, then in Berlin, Germany for nearly 60 (Sixty) years. He never lived in Poland. Despite all that, Balcer declares him Polish and strips Aleksander Brückner of his Professor title'''     ????

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 * Surely you are not claiming that there were no Poles in the world in the 19th century because the country was erased from the map. Balcer 18:54, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

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You claim the country (Poland) was erased from the map is contradicted by maps of the time. Here is an English-language map from 1902. Below Prussia you can read Poland (Russia). Using your and Space Cadet's usual style it belonged to Russia, it was an integral part of Russia.


 * Please educate yourself about 19th century European history. This might help you interpret old maps correctly, and not jump to silly conclusions. Congress Poland was indeed a part of Russia, but Poland as a whole was not, by any definition. Consult this map.Balcer 02:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Contrary to Balcer's claim, 'that Poland was erased from the map' there are maps, that show Poland: 1902 Map of Poland by Century Dictionary and Cyclopaedic Atlas (CD&CA) by very highly regarded cyclopedia. Balcer's map is a creation of Wikipedians, who have on every article a note:Disclaimers, General disclaimer. -

Professor Alexander Brückner's book Lito-Slavische Studien, Die Slavischen Fremdwörter im Litauischen on borrowed Slavic words in Lithuanian language
This information was repeatedly removed, thus placed here On the most central questions of Slavic scholarship, he described the Slavic borrowings in the Lithuanian language in his book Lito-Slavische Studien, Die Slavischen Fremdwörter im Litauischen and he stressed that this common Balto-Slavic bond developed by the close contact of Lithuanians and Russians (Belorus) by the 1500s AD and the later strong influence of Polish, when in the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth only the common village people were able to continue speaking Lithuanian. He bemoaned the mixing of the different languages and noticed that often Polish clergy used Polish words and just added Lithuanian endings. He noticed that the Latvian language did not undergo the Slavisation, because from its earliest times of christianity, preachers were of Latvian language. He placed the original homeland of the Slavs farther west than most Slavists, on the territory of today's Poland. He believed that the apostles to the Slavs, Cyril and Methodius, had originated the idea of their mission on their own, and he played down the invitation from Moravia; and finally, in a polemic with the Ukrainian historian Mykhailo Hrushevsky, he took a Normanist position on the origins of the Rus', stressing the linguistic and historical evidence for a Scandinavian connection. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.201.57 (talk) 04:28, 25 April 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.137.201.57 (talk) 04:31, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually Bruckner spoke Polish at home and wrote a grat part of his books in Polish. In Encyklopedia Staropolska he gives a motto from Andrzej Maksymilian Fredro, a fellow Pole from 17th century: It is good to know the affairs of foreigners, but it is a duty to know man's own affairs [in the sense of national affairs]. The Germanisation of Bruckner makes me laugh. You can also say that there have been no Ukrainians ever before 1991. But such irrational claims reduce value of Wikipedia, alas. Kameal (talk) 16:30, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The quotations

Quotations prove his nationality:


 * 1) W. Kosny, "Aleksander Brückner: Ein polnischer Slavist in Berlin als 'Dolmetscher der Geister'", Zeitschrift für Slawistik, XXXVI (1991) 381-91.
 * 2) Wiktor Weintraub, "Aleksander Brückner (1856-1939)," in Nation and History: Polish Historians from the Enlightenment to the Second World War, edited by Peter Brock, John D. Stanley, and Piotr J. Wrobel (Toronto: University of Toronto Press, 2006), pp. 197-212. Article in English.

How can anyone prove he considered himself a German? Any evidence, please? That he cultivated German customs? Mickiewicz spend a couple of years in Russia and Germany and large part of his life in France, moreover he was writing in French and never was in Poland. So, Mickiewicz is a Frenchman? Kameal (talk) 16:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Aleksander Bruckner family member
Hello all,

I am related to Aleksander Bruckner. He was my Great Grandfathers cousin. The name still runs in my family- it is the maiden name of my Grandma Ola ( Aleksandra). I'm sorry to say for those of you who were rooting for him to be German he was indeed Polish. I'm living proof.

Cheers,

teatime333 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teatime333 (talk • contribs) 20:09, 10 June 2008 (UTC)