Talk:Alf Ramsey

That GA review above...
Is everything now addressed? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 14:48, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's why the template at the top of the page says "Alf Ramsey has been listed as a Sports and recreation good article under the good article criteria." Woot!! The Rambling Man (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Ace. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

FAC to-do list
As we push on now towards FAC, I'll create and update a to-do list. With GA done, it should be relatively straightforward. He says optimistically. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:05, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * I share that opimism. Standards are at an all-time low around here, this is going to be a cakewalk. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)


 * 1) Check all sections of copy for style, citations for claims, balance
 * 2) Review for comprehensiveness
 * 3) Check that Lead is a good representation of the article
 * 4) Check MOS compliance: images, citations etc
 * 5) Get a third-party copyedit
 * 6) Check that the copyedit hasn't broken any compliance issues!
 * 7) FAC

--Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 16:26, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Probably need a sympathetic ear for most of this, we can't see the wood for the trees. I'm sitting with my 90-year-old Grandad right now who knew Alf well, so my opinions aren't NPOV enough for most of this...! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:09, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Check all sections of copy for style, citations for claims, balance
In terms of balance, the story breaks down as follows:
 * 1920-1938: 4 parags for 18 years (Early life)
 * 1939-1946: 6 parags for 6 years (War time)
 * 1947-1949: 7 parags for about 3 years (Portsmouth)
 * 1949-1955: 15 parags for 6 years (Tottenham and England)
 * 1955-1963: 6 parags for 8 years (Ipswich manager)
 * 1963-1974: 19 parags for 9 years (England manager)
 * 1974-1977: Nothing at all
 * 1977-1980: 3 parags for 3 years (Later mabagement)
 * ?: 2 paragraphs (Later life and death)

Reflections... I think it's mostly about right. This is a very rough and ready way of looking at the balance but it's useful because one thing stands out a mile to me. I suggest that there is far too little about his time as Ipswich manager. The numbers suggest that a better balance would be about 15-16 parags on the subject, a substantial expansion. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * , do you have any sources useful for expanding the section on ITFC managament? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:56, 31 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If I'm very lucky, I'll have a quick look when I get home if I make it through the day. The Rambling Man (talk) 11:58, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

Main page date
January 2020 will be the 100th anniversary of his birth. That gives us plenty of time to get this done! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:07, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

After England
Hope you don't mind, but I've expanded the After England section a bit, to include what he did between England and Birmingham, as well as a bit more detail on his Birmingham career. Contemporary sources make no mention of his leaving for health reasons. Please feel free to trim/rearrange/remove at will. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Omg,, I don't mind at all. Please feel free to throw yourself into this! --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:45, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

External links modified
Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified one external link on Alf Ramsey. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/web/20160624002257/http://www.statto.com/football/stats/results/1962-11-28/ipswich-town-v-ac-milan to http://www.statto.com/football/stats/results/1962-11-28/ipswich-town-v-ac-milan

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 09:03, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Eton Manor
Recent additions have Ramsey as “manager” of Eton Manor F.C.. Based on the one added reference of limited detail, this is questionable as other refs have him as merely doing some coaching.--Egghead06 (talk) 05:46, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I concur. From his biography Winning Isn't Everything by Dave Bowler, p. 107: he  "began to coach non-League Eton Manor on a part-time basis".  It was later described as Ramsey's first "rung on the managerial ladder" but part-time coaching does not equal manager. The Rambling Man (Stay indoors, stay safe!!!!) 08:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)