Talk:Alliance for Responsible Citizenship

Upon my knees, a thousand thanks
Thank you @Wikishovel @Tuncker for all those tidy ups and and kick alongs. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 06:17, 2 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Collaborative editing for the win! Thank you for starting the article MD, I hadn't heard of them. Wikishovel (talk) 07:53, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia about ARC
the page about ARC on wikipedia is based upon several bibliographic references wich include lots of detractors of ARC, some of them lying in their statments, most of all just biased opinions, not facts 2001:8A0:61B0:D900:C8DF:3E61:C0F8:B12C (talk) 23:35, 29 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Hello there! Sounds like you are very interested in this topic. If you'd like to edit, you'd be welcome. Personally, I would start by getting an account name then following the introduction.
 * You're right about many of the source articles being written by detractors. What matters to wikipedia is whether a given statement in the article comes from reliable sources (an article very much worth the read). In short, feel free to add or improve a sentence, but you'll need to back it up with a citation from a respected news source.
 * I believe the article can be improved greatly. From reports I've read on the group in the month since its big conference, I can see that it's not really about Jordan Peterson at all, in fact, recent articles barely mention him. So I think that may have been an early distortion, which should be corrected.
 * Would be excellent to see a spread of editors involved, not just on this article, but on the articles on others connected to it. I'd like to know more! There are several academics and writers and artists who, news articles tell us, are part of the movement, but at this point, there is no wikipedia article about them whatsoever. Work to be done.
 * Go well!
 * MatthewDalhousie (talk) 00:13, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

NGO or Ltd.?
The form of organisation is a company with one shareholder in Dubai and one rightwing investor named Paul Marshall. So it isn't a NGo but a Limited Company registered in England & Wales. This should be change accordingly in the infobox. --Jensbest (talk) 19:54, 11 December 2023 (UTC)
 * It is indeed a Limited Company and describes itself as such. However, it also fits the (rather vague) description of International non-governmental organization (INGO). Is registration as a charity required to be called an INGO? In any case, changing the entry in ARC's infobox to a narrower, more precise, term seems reasonable. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:36, 12 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Absolutely support changing the descriptor to Limited Company. Thanks @Jensbest and @Michael Bednarek. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 00:03, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Have made that change accordingly. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 00:17, 13 December 2023 (UTC)

Time to look at this lead
This article was created many months ago, while the organisation was first being reported. I have the sense that, perhaps because a press release shaped the first reports by journalists, it became (rather lazily) known as the Jordan Peterson thing. This is a bit like saying Woodstock was a Grateful Dead conference, I mean, sure, they were big there, but that's not what Woodstock was about. Okay, not wanting to turn this into a discussion about Grateful Dead. My point is when you look at reliable sources like The Critic and even the primary documents in The Telegraph the idea of the grouping really is about addressing what they see as civilisational decline, and trying to revitalise western culture. Whether they are succeeding at that is another question, but the reporting indicates that's what the group is about and I believe that should be reflected in the lead and the short description. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 23:05, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree. Please change the lead (and the short description) along those lines. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 01:25, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Agreed. In its current form the lead appears to put forward a more one-dimensional view of ARC than is fair. Bertie deAlfie (talk) 15:31, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I also agree to this remark. The lead seems embody a subjective point of view on the article subject. MariaMKorn (talk) 16:32, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * "Whether they are succeeding at that is another question" Way too soon to have a lasting impact. But Centre-right politics typically involves promoting capitalist policies within a liberal democracy. Dimadick (talk) 18:18, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
 * @Dimadick! I agree there has been some predictability in liberalism. Since the late 70s, definitely. Though I've been doing some reading about liberalism down here in Australia. And in the post-war years, liberalism wasn't that big a friend of capital. The dominant liberal party was big-government, with massive government funded capital works, and huge investments in public education. Another time. Too soon, I agree, to detect whether we're at an inflection point again, but it's possible. Anyway, to the article, I'll proceed along the lines discussed above. MatthewDalhousie (talk) 22:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)