Talk:Alma Mater Society of the University of British Columbia Vancouver

Requested move
University of British Columbia Alma Mater Society → Alma Mater Society of the University of British Columbia – {changing the entry to its correct, legal name Kkeystone 05:10, 3 April 2006 (UTC)} copied from the entry on the WP:RM page


 * Done. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 07:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Content Removal
Two notes for GreenJoe on why I reverted the removals he made: Ardent &dagger;alk &isin; 08:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A list of the five elected executives of the Alma Mater Society does not constitute a directory.
 * Just because something isn't cited (in this case the history section), that is not cause for deletion. Especially not such a large section.
 * 1. Executives aren't notable. 2. None of it is cited. Not being cited is grounds for removal upon seeing it. That's policy. GreenJoe 23:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You may want to reread the citation policy. Ardent &dagger;alk &isin;  12:55, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's great, it's still not cited. GreenJoe 18:01, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My point was lack of citation is not by itself grounds for removal according to the citation policy. The information contained within the history is not the biography of a living person nor is it doubtful or harmful.  If you can come up with other grounds for removal other than that, by all means.  Otherwise I'm going to re-insert the material in question tomorrow.  Ardent &dagger;alk &isin;  03:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My point is that it MUST be cited, and I'll start an RFC over it if I must. No citation, no inclusion. GreenJoe 05:19, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * From Verifiability: The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation. The source should be cited clearly and precisely to enable readers to find the text that supports the article content in question. GreenJoe 05:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Everything that you have deleted off the site has been freely available through council minutes and old copies of the Ubyssey, both of which are available in the AMS and UBC archives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Naylorm (talk • contribs) 19:20, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Great, then make sure to put in the proper in-line citations. The Ubyssey is an ok source, council minutes are not. That would be original research. GreenJoe 19:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * GreenJoe, the spirit of that particular phrase you quoted from Verifiability is clearly to avoid misinformation, not to prevent addition of unsourced material. If everyone were to go around removing anything that didn't have an in-line citation, wikipedia would not have grown to what it is today.  Such unsourced, but factually correct information has the potential to grow into a full-fledged sourced section, but very rarely does this occur when the information in question is deleted on sight.  Are you asserting that the information you removed is false?  Or should I refer you to this essay? Please don't take this the wrong way, I'm trying to understand why you are so adament about the removal of this particular material.  Ardent &dagger;alk &isin;  07:33, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'll point you to WP:WAX. Lots of unsourced stuff exists that shouldn't. It has to be sourced, and the onus is on the editor adding it in to provide in-line citations. GreenJoe 14:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * While Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions is more of a guideline for arguments to avoid on afd, I think I see what you're trying to say. We'll just have to agree to disagree (as you seem to be more deletionist, while I tend to be more of an inclusionist).  However, in my search for reliable sources I came across something interesting here.  It seems to be the exact same material - perhaps the edits made to add the material should be hidden (or possibly deleted) until a proper copyvio investigation can be effected?  I'm not sure how to proceed with this, any thoughts?  Ardent &dagger;alk &isin;  06:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's a copyvio, it shouldn't be included at all then. That just undermines the article's credibility then. That site is a good source though, if you wanted to put something in that is written in your own words, perhaps a condensed/readers digest version? Something that is brief enough that won't raise any red flags, and we can calmly discuss the addition of other sourced material from there? GreenJoe 07:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Current Events
If any of you are aware of the AMS Civil War that is occuring between Frederick/Chu and the Council, can you please update the page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.143.126 (talk) 08:41, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Page Update
It seems to me that this page is largely, well, shitty, especially compared to the pages of other student associations. We're about as large as the UBC Debating society, article wise, so we should probably expand to cover some of the many things that the AMS does.

We also should have a photo or two.

I've started working on adding information about current initiatives and services. The page still needs more work, so it'd be nice if someone who actually has worked in the AMS could contribute more about services and the like. --Shimei (talk) 07:59, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Graduate Students in the AMS
UBC (Vancouver) graduate students are represented by the AMS just the same as undergraduate students; however, the second paragraph would seem to imply to the reader that this is not the case. Just as students of the various undergraduate faculties are members of both the AMS and their respective undergraduate society (AUS, SUS, CUS, EUS, FUS, etc.), all UBC (Vancouver) graduate students are full members of both the AMS and the GSS. Is there a way to reword or remove this so that it doesn't sound like graduate students aren't in the AMS - perhaps by not juxtaposing them with UBC Okanagan students (who actually aren't)? Lambda(T) (talk) 00:35, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I found a clunky - but clear - solution: just adding the word "also". There's probably a better way to phrase and/or structure this, but it'll do for now. Lambda(T) (talk) 00:51, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Suggested Headings
History Services Governance Representation Businesses Modern Issues

Removal of Unsourced Material, Promotional Material & AMS Club Listings
In response to revision initiated by User:LucBriedeCooper, I would like to rebut the revision and discuss this accordingly.

The justification was "AMS Clubs are non-profit subsidiaries of the AMS. They are communities. Their wiki entries are informational and not unwanted by UBC students in any way". I reject this premise because Wikipedia is not a platform that is built to cater to the interests of UBC Students. Their wiki entries were not informational in nature, and are largely irrevalent to the AMS itself. They were promotional and put on Wikipedia in what seems to be an attempt to increase their relevance. One reason I suspect this is because the Logo for the UBC Debate Society is credited as own work, see.

There are over 400+ AMS Clubs. It doesn't make sense to actually list them all on this page. One feasible alternative is to create a separate entry as a list of clubs with a brief description, but maintenance of this list would be excessively tedious and burdensome as AMS does not maintain an actively updated directory of clubs through OrgSync or the Big List of Clubs. As well, you would need to demonstrate that such an entry is indeed, necessary. Lastly, User:LucBriedeCooper has failed to disclose that he is the president of the UBC Electronic Dance Music Club, a direct conflict of interest with the edits in question. Therefore, I do not believe his edits are in good faith, and I will be contesting further attempts to revise such, we can go for mediation or RFC though. Furthermore, the UBC Electronic Dance Music Club was added as from edits on UBC Campus User:128.189.68.37 and from an account named User:UBCEDM, which standards for UBC Electronic Dance Music. See WP:COI. Let me know what you think. Elyeri (talk) 18:10, 19 December 2016 (UTC)

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