Talk:America's Next Top Model season 16

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

'''Page moved'. Vegaswikian (talk) 00:01, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

America's Next Top Model Cycle 16 → America's Next Top Model, Cycle 16 — Proper title, the page should be add with comma in as (Version Next Top Model, Cycle X) Cast has been released all over the night and if the move is completed, please unprotect the proposed article. ApprenticeFan work 10:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC) ApprenticeFan work 09:33, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support as nominator since for over one week and one day, just the article started at past 12 hours by User:FAB!AN. Even one user asked to requested the correct title with comma. ApprenticeFan  work 09:26, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment User:SKS2K6 has requested from RM and has to say:
 * The show is starting in two weeks, so there should be no reason to prohibit the original page's re-creation. And per MOS (and the rest of the cycles), there needs to be a comma.
 * One slight problem is that under America's Next Top Model, Cycle 16 (with comma) are 58 deleted edits from 17:35, 19 August 2010 to 01:04, 1 November 2010 which were speedy-deleted (not by me) as . Anthony Appleyard (talk) 09:35, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. I've been trying to move the article, but since the page was blocked, I couldn't. WereWolf (talk) 03:34, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Removed call out order
Considering the regular editing of the table, I think we should temporarily remove it until the first call-out actually airs. I think it'll discourage some users from posting fake spoilers if the table's empty template isn't actually available to edit, at least until the season starts. :)(Kyleofark (talk) 00:20, 20 February 2011 (UTC))


 * Agree. I also requested the page to be semi-protected until May 19. — My December (talk) 05:17, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

From user JoeBell -- I agree that information posted before the show airs is a mistake -- just a few days ago before the broadcast of cycle 16, episode #2 aired -- the elimated girl "Nicole" was already listed! It would be a good idea to post new information after the show airs -- thanks to whom ever can help fix this..... I would if I had editing access !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by JoeBell (talk • contribs) 20:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)


 * If the article is semi-protected, why does a call-out order keep appearing?! It's really quite annoying. 82.45.134.2 (talk) 08:54, 11 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Because the person User:MuchBetter88 who is doing the edits made an account some time ago for apparently nothing but adding future call-out orders to various cycles.Naraht (talk) 14:41, 11 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I took my time to revert over 200 edits to the page, and i see no need to tamper with this any further. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trafalk09 (talk • contribs) 20:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Photo shoot 1- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/02/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16.html
 * photo-shoot 2- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/03/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16.html
 * Photo shoot 3- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/03/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16_09.html
 * photo-shoot 4- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/03/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16_16.html
 * photo shoot 5- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/03/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16_23.html
 * photo-shoot 6- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/03/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16_30.html
 * photo-shoot 7- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/04/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16.html
 * photo-shoot 8- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/04/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16_13.html
 * photo-shoot 9- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/04/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16_27.html
 * '''10 = recap
 * photo-shoot 11- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/05/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16.html
 * photo-shoot 12- http://ablogaboutthings.com/2011/05/americas-next-top-model-cycle-16_11.html
 * photo-shoot 13- http://www.kidzworld.com/article/25664-americas-next-top-model-cycle-16-episode-13-finale


 * Not sure if it helps though... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.206.38.163 (talk) 23:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Call-out order
Thidi45 (talk) 18:09, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: replacing the table in the article with this table would break it, and if you meant to do anything else with this code, then you haven't said what it should be! Please check the table code on the sandbox, and re-add the edit semi-protected template along with the content and a description of what should be done with it, and someone will be along to help. Thanks. -- gtdp (T)/(C) 18:19, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from ThatGleekOverThere, 17 March 2011
On the 1st episode, Brittani won the reward challenge, which was the runway with the bubble. It was in fact a reward challenge because although ever girl got clothes as well, she was deemed the winner of that challenge by Ms. Jay.

She is not shown as the challenge winner in the graph.

ThatGleekOverThere (talk) 23:18, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
 * note from maine12329 --
 * Brittaini was pinpointed by all of the judges as the only one to have done an outstanding performance by the judges in the challenge, but was not deemed officially as a winner. All of the contestants were given a prize each after the challenge because Eric Wasson felt that the entire feat of the challenge was hard to accomplish in the first place. I think she should at least be recognized for this fact, i.e. put her as challenge winner but also put a note at the bottom?
 * Another thing, the 'challenge' was called a "runway show" by Mr. J before it started, but after it ended, Erin Wasson referred to it as a "challenge", so it's quite ambiguous I suppose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maine12329 (talk • contribs) 07:11, 18 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: No reliable sources provided. — Bility (talk) 22:31, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Editing request from antmgenuine, 23 March 2011
Please don't erase or delete the Call-out Order I have edited. Just delete it for every episode because I want Brittani to win, runner-up will be Hannah, 3rd will be Molly, 4th will be Alexandria. Please just delete it every episode.


 * Ah, the diehard fan. Unfortunately, the requirement for a neutral pov contradicts both fandom and hope, so you do have to keep them out of the editing. Hope that explains why others overruled you. - Tenebris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.254.156.204 (talk) 16:54, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

"Casting" call-out order should be removed
There now appears on the call-out table a listing (beginning with Dominique and ending with Angelia) that I suppose is meant to reflect the usual call-out of finalists from casting episodes. The list, however, was taken only from the order in which Tyra happened to announce the finalists to the home audience and does not reflect a "call-out" in any sense of the word. As such, the column should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.10.221.72 (talk) 04:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 68.189.239.42, 27 March 2011
Please remove elimination information, callout for upcoming episodes that have not aired.

68.189.239.42 (talk) 03:55, 27 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Which episodes are those? And is it possible that the episodes have aired in some places but not others?  Qwyrxian (talk) 12:47, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, seriously. And it's false. Many spoilers say that Alexandria will make the go-sees at least. Then the non-elimination episode would be the top 7. Finally, Monique and Mikaela are the actual two who will leave next.

Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Unless you state exactly what information should be removed and why, there's nothing we can do. Not all editors actually watch the show (or even live in a country where it's shown). When you make an edit request, please always state exactly which words/sentences should change, and why. Thanks. Qwyrxian (talk) 11:41, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Could it be somebody deleted the last two episode summaries and call-out orders? Not cool, please can somebody return the page to the state it was an edit before? Not sure how any of that works unfortunately.. La carmabelle (talk) 10:50, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Non-elimination?
I just put on the episode section whether it will have non-elimination or not. If do, please provide RS for info, and Wikipedia is not a prediction of getting spoilers. Thank you. ApprenticeFan work 10:02, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Don't Remove Elimination Chart
Please don't remove Elimination Chart it stated true facts. THANKS. . . Antmgenuine (talk) 19:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 121.97.224.68, 19 April 2011
121.97.224.68 (talk) 03:45, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

please provide a more specific request Morgan Kevin J (talk) 06:32, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

about Call-out order
Hi, I was wondering if it would be better in the episodes that the girls didn't won any prize in the challenge, they can be colored in a different category, like "was the best of the day but don't won any prize". For example, Brittani was the best in episode 1 and 10 but did not win any prize, but it will recognize as the best. Put only one color to give due merit to it (gold, or a darker blue).

thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Otaviop (talk • contribs) 03:28, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 112.205.112.103, 18 May 2011
112.205.112.103 (talk) 12:56, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Aeronandre0202, 18 May 2011
Aeronandre0202 (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC) Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed.  Kinaro (talk)'''(contribs) 03:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Aeronandre0202, 18 May 2011
Aeronandre0202 (talk) 13:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Edit request
Beech Creek in the intro links to the river, not to the borough of Beech Creek, Pennsylvania. Apologies if there is any duplication -- SineBot seems to be deleting my edits - Tenebris 13:41, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Hannah Jones linking?
When you link to Hannah Jones you get a british singer. I don't know enough about this to say that that is wrong, but... surely she's american? If it isn't right I suggest making an ambigious link to Hannah Jones.188.114.179.177 (talk) 14:33, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

To temporarily disable editing access for this IP 178.36.123.216
At least one user in this IP address has been 'rewriting' the actual plot of every episode. Please temporarily disable access for this IP while the other editors can step in to correct the damage. Thank you.

Nutmagz (talk) 18:50, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Wrong information
Please don't edit the call out order or summaries as what you like anymore, it's very foolish and unprofessional, it is just kind of vandalism. Remember Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that delivers correct informations to us but not a "fans" pages to you. Please take my note.

Call-out order
This section is un-sourced and is subject to much dispute, DO NOT RE-ADD until reliable sources can be added for it ALL. Mt king  (edits)  05:45, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Why? This is right call-out order. KIRILL95 (talk) 17:23, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Simple it needs to be verifiable with reliable sources. Mt  king  (edits)  20:00, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? It was on the show. All the other Cycles have their call-out orders on their articles. What other "verfiable source" do you need other than the show itself?2.96.217.39 (talk) 18:46, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Well why do editors keep making changes then ? - it needs sources. Mt  king  (edits)  22:08, 11 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Mtking, please find in yourself some sympathetic differentiation between vandals and editors. Regards. ZephyrWind (talk) 11:08, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It IS sourced. It happened in the episodes that have aired already... It is as sourced as the synopses for every episode. What do you want, the youtube links of Tyra calling out the girls' names? Please put it back. It's a really important part of the article.89.242.88.152 (talk) 11:30, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

I put a link with quite accurate information. I hope the result will be fair. KIRILL95 (talk) 19:24, 12 November 2011 (UTC)

If you think that the reference is doubtful, I can remove it, but Mtking, please, do not delete the table. KIRILL95 (talk) 19:39, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I have, it is not reliable; it will save a lot of time if you post here the link(s) you wish to use so that we can reach consensus on them as a reliable source. Mt  king  (edits)  02:19, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Mtking, please tell me where to find the source of the call-out order? Look at the other call-outs order in other seasons; where you can see what some sources? The source - it was on the show. You want me to use as a source of fragments of each series, where they called contestants? Sorry, but this is silly. Please return the table. Look at each series, and compare with the table. KIRILL95 (talk) 07:10, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

If it was doubt in table of cycle 17, it is still okay, because in the U.S. show it on TV. A 16 season ended in May! What can be little doubt? KIRILL95 (talk) 07:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * WP:BURDEN is on the person adding or restoring this to provide the reliable sources. If it is so hard to find them, then it could be that the whole table is WP:OR and should be kept out for that reason.
 * WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS is no reason to keep it in, as for Cycle 17, that also needs to be sourced, and it is likely that it will be removed very soon if not sourced. Mt  king  (edits)  07:46, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * You are being truly ridiculous. Where is the 'source' for the show being called "America's Next Top Model"? Where is the 'source' for it being the 16th Cycle? Where is the 'source' that the winner was Brittani Kline? Where is the 'source'... well you get my point. The source is the show which has now finished. There's no official almanac of the show where we can copy and source every little detail from. If everything has to be "sourced" we might as well delete the article now. It amazes me how much of an ass you're being, when it's quite clear you're the only user here who thinks the table needs to be deleted.78.146.105.27 (talk) 10:29, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Mtking, please understand: this section you are one against all. Sources on call-out order nowhere. In other seasons, the call-out order of contestants sources none too. The sources used fragments of the series is stupid. So, please do not delete the table. I hope you understand me. KIRILL95 (talk) 16:48, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Have a read of WP:LOCALCONSENSUS, consensus here can not overrule the community consensus that requires content to be sourced. Mt  king  (edits)  19:45, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * The blogs that have been added by the IP editor are clearly NOT reliable sources, the content remains unsourced and MUST be removed until it is sourced. Mt  king  (edits)  23:32, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * By your logic, we might as well delete the whole article.84.13.29.234 (talk) 23:46, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
 * But if this is a subject worthy of an article, then it will have received a significant level of coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and thus it should be easy to find a reliable source for this table, the fact that 4 days in, none has been forthcoming would tend to indicate that the call out list is actually not that important or is only replicated on WP which could well make it original research which is another reason why it should not be included. Mt  king  (edits)  00:00, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
 * And for four days I and the other editors have been trying to explain to you that the reliable source is in the show itself. Stop being so stubborn and put the table back. The tables have been part of Top Model articles for years and years and are very important.84.13.29.234 (talk) 13:08, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Still subject to change
This is still subject to change, without any sources it is not possible for a uninvolved editor to verify the correct version. This is the table that looks like it might be correct :

Can we verify the above, then reach a consensus here on the correct version, it can be reinserted and any change from then con can be reverted as vandalism. Mt king  (edits)  19:49, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

This is correctTrafalk09 (talk) 04:41, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

This IS correct, and like we have kept telling you over, over, and over again, this cannot be completely verified. What source would make tables (or anything like them) when they are made on Wikipedia to begin with. Not everything you see is "Original Research" the show is evidence enough. I'm sure there are videos of the eliminations to verify this. Would something like this be enough to calm you down? I doubt it. I think you are completely driven to seeing these tables taken down. IT CANNOT BE SOURCED as much as we would love it to. You edit top model. You like it, no? So instead of erasing things left and right, why not try to be part of the solution? It seems to me that if a great number of people tell you something, they might-just might- be correct. Not the other way around. Stop being stubborn. Discuss these thing before you do them. With everyone. Then maybe everyone else will be willing to work together with you. You know, i thought these kind of things were supposed to have a consensus. Wasn't it reached a few weeks ago? Why go out of your way to start all over again? At this point I'm ranting long enough. Love to you *mua* <3 Please for the love of god don't get too angry (if at all) I just really don't get it. 98.206.38.163 (talk) 04:58, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * But why do editors keep changing it if it is correct ? why is it so hard, if it is so important, for editors to find reliable sources for it ? is it the case of just WP:FANCRUFT that only fanatical ANTM editors care about it ?  Mt  king  (edits)  08:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * People who keep changing it are rascals. It's all vandalism. Is it really that hard for you to understand that?98.206.38.163 (talk) 13:28, 2 December 2011 (UTC) No not only fans can edit it. Anyone can. As long as they know what they're doing. These people obviously don't care if the tables get taken down.
 * My Issue is, without ANY sourcing it is not possible to tell if the table is reliable. Mt  king  (edits)  23:39, 3 December 2011 (UTC)


 * I mean some blogs- have posted call out orders exactly like this. Sometimes i sit and write them down. However, they don't count as sources. If you look at the table upon the time it was first completed, it remains the same as it was then. People just keep messing with it for whatever reason. The first call-outs are accurate. The bottom two is accurate. Anything in between is easy to gather from memory. Also, the order of elimination is accurate. Runner-up for best picture too. Do any of the tables have sources? I can find sources for the girls who won the challenge. Dalya in week 4 for sure. Alexandria was in an issue of vogue for the ford she won in episode 7 This too i can source. By pieces. But not the whole thing. Kasia was the first eliminated overseas. It's all so simple. I mean, maybe it's just you can't tell if it's reliable?98.206.38.163 (talk) 21:08, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
 * MtKing, I really don't get why you're making this into such a big issue. The tables have never been a problem before. They are not Original Research, they are simply information from the show. Watch the episodes yourself if you want proof. Tables have been vandalised on Top Model articles for YEARS. It's really nothing new. 84.13.28.111 (talk) 22:38, 8 December 2011 (UTC)


 * At the very least, can someone re-edit the call-out order charts to include contestants who won challenges within the episodes, and include contestants who quit within the episodes in the chart (ie: Ondrei in Episode 2 of Cycle 16). This request also includes other Next Top Model charts that have been edited. (talk) 20:14 6 April 2012 —Preceding undated comment added 00:14, 7 April 2012 (UTC).

Erin Wasson and Francesco Carrozzini
It is necessary to describe 1 and 4 episodes. KIRILL95 (talk) 16:51, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Brittani Kline quits modeling
Please do not add Brittani has quit her modeling career, statistics say the statement doesn't meet verifiability requirements and no Facebook articles. Thank you. ApprenticeFan work 08:04, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

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Call-out order

 * The contestant was eliminated
 * The contestant quit the competition
 * The contestant won the competition


 * In episode 2, Ondrei left the competition during judging. She took no part in the call-out.
 * Episode 9 was the recap episode.

Call-out order

 * The contestant was eliminated
 * The contestant quit the competition
 * The contestant was disqualified from the competition.
 * The contestant won the competition
 * The contestant was part of none-elimination bottom two


 * In episodes 1, 4, 5, 8 ja 10 weren't elimination
 * In episode 2, Ondrei left the competition during judging. She took no part in the call-out.
 * Episode 9 was the recap episode.
 * In episode 12 Brittani was disqualified because she started to cry of the critic.

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Contestants section
None of the real contestants' names r mentioned in the "Contestants" section. Must b confused 4 another season (cycle) 47.17.42.148 (talk) 02:06, 12 March 2024 (UTC)