Talk:American Civil Liberties Union/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 08:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

This article is a monster 79.5kb of readable prose. It would be one of the longest WP:GAs on wikipedia if passed in its current format. I would like to learn about this organization, so I will dig through this article and review it. It may take me a few weeks.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 08:37, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to review it. I'm pretty busy in Real Life, but I'm committed to doing what it takes to get it to GA status.  I know the article is big, but it is within the WP acceptable size limits, and it would probably suffer if it were broken up.   My model is the Manhattan Project article which is 15,800 words of prose, and achieved FA status.  This article is only 12,500 words :-)   That said, I'm open to splitting suggestions:  but I have not  been able to see a good approach to splitting yet.    It sounds like you're going to go thru the article section by section, so I'll probably wait until you are finished before I begin implementing your suggestions (to avoid re-work, etc).  Thanks again.  --Noleander (talk) 06:23, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I am not sure where your "WP acceptable size limits" policy comes from. I have not read WP:SIZE in quite a while, but 60KB is a number in the back of my head. I will work through this slowly. Thanks for your patience.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * P.S. I have reviewed some long articles, including Chevy Volt, Clint Eastwood (which had several WP:SPLITs), and Missouri River as well as Bill Clinton which would be quite long if several articles were not WP:SPLIT from it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 07:01, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. I have no objection to splitting, as long as it is a sensible split, and not just for the sake of getting the article under an arbitrary size limit.  The key test is what is best for readers.   I respect your judgement, and I'll wait patiently. --Noleander (talk) 07:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)


 * WP:LEAD
 * The LEAD clock in at 1850 for one of the largest GAC candidates conceivable. I have not read the subsequent text, but every section should be summarized in the LEAD.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I would expect this lead to be in the 3000-3200 character range for any article exceeding the normal 50-60KB upper bound. Thus, more content should be included here while keeping the organization to 4 paragraphs or less.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Nearly Done - Expanded lead to be more comprehensive. I think it is a decent lead now, with the exception of the "contains a mention of every section in the article" goal.  --Noleander (talk) 14:38, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It now clocks in at 3700 characters, which is a bit longer than what I would like, but I'll reevaluate later.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:11, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The fourth paragraph should be merged or expanded. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:47, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 14:48, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I find the table of contents a bit overbearing. The article will likely need to be reorganized.  I guess I would think about whether each section is important enough that it should be summarized in the LEAD. If not, I would merge it with another section. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:49, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * See progress report below under Reorganized. --Noleander (talk) 15:33, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Leadership
 * In each case, the sentence-opening phrase "In YYYY" should be followed by a comma. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Funding
 * Please link important foundations. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:19, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * We need to think about WP:SPLIT for an article of this length and specific cases toward the end of this section are examples of detail that might be moved to a less general article. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:19, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that in this section, you should discuss the member ship dues of the 500,000 members. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:47, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * The fact that dues are voluntary is very encyclopedic and should not be buried in a footnote.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:35, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done "Membership dues account for $25M per year and are treated as donations; members choose the amount they pay annually, averaging $50 per member per year."  --Noleander (talk) 18:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * CLB era
 * Can you make this section chronological so that 1918 precedes 1919. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:24, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 14:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Free speech era
 * would continue s/b continued, I believe. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:56, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Free speech
 * Reorganize this section without subsections. Each subsection is really stubby and it is bloating the TOC. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 15:32, 2 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Starting with the Expansion section through the Success section, I think many paragraphs should be merged to make sections less choppy. I have not read these sections, yet, Based on casual inspection, I would say merged or expanded, but I don't want the article to get any longer. Consider whether all fo the detail is truly encyclopedic. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Reorganized - I merged some of the smaller sections, and grouped the sections into larger sections. See the new table of contents.  I think it looks more inviting now, less scary.   A few of the remaining sections (e.g. Privacy) are still a bit small, but they are 3-levels down, and merging them would require the section titles to become meaningless.  Let me know what you think. --Noleander (talk) 15:32, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
 * New TOC looks grand.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Expansion
 * Merge or expand paragraphs. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:02, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Please explain "reform police departments". I don't understand what was reformed. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:02, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Changed to " The ACLU also played a key role in initiating a nationwide effort to reduce misconduct (such as extracting false confessions) within police departments,....". --Noleander (talk) 21:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Depression era and the New Deal
 * is there a case associated with The Fight for Life. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:02, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - No, there is no case ... it was just a local effort.  In any case, I rewrote entire sentence to be:  "Even public health films portraying pregnancy and birth were banned; as was Life magazine's April 11, 1938 issue which included photos of the birth process.  The ACLU fought these bans, but did not prevail." --Noleander (talk) 21:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Jehovah's Witnesses
 * link flag day. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Communism and totalitarianism
 * is there a link for totalitarianism? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * First usage links in the article to Nazi, Neo-Nazi, Communist or communisms. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * World War II
 * When you refer to the President, say who it was at the time.
 * President Roosevelt is an ambiguous phrase.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Later, make it clear that "Roosevelt was a strong supporter..." refers to the President.
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 04:03, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Have you linked WWII in this article? First usage should be linked just like WWI. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:09, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * internment should be linked. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:09, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Cold war era
 * Merge or expand stubby one- and two-line paragraphs. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:00, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 14:39, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The second paragraph sounds like it is repeating things I vaguely remember from above. I might be wrong. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:00, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Yes, the wording was a bit confusing. I improved the wording to clarify the distinction between the 1940 internal purge within the ACLU (which indeed was described in a prior section) vs the ACLUs ambivalence re defending Cold War defendants. --Noleander (talk) 14:39, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * McCarthyism era
 * "Harry Slochower in his Supreme Court case "-which case? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:08, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - I added the case information into the footnote of that sentence (namely: "The case was Slochower v. Board of Higher Education of New York City, 350 U.S. 551 (1956).") but it was a minor Supreme Court case, so I did not put that red link into the body of the article.  Let me know if it should be in the body. --Noleander (talk) 14:39, 6 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Separation of church and state
 * Should that be a wall in the Hugo Black quote? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 14:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Does wikipedia have an article about the proposed constitutional amendment? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - it was School Prayer Amendment. --Noleander (talk) 14:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Freedom of expression
 * Merge or expand the first paragraph. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 15:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I think you talk about freedom of expression above and that content should be merged here. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:36, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - The source discusses free speech censorship in two eras: 1925-1935 (which is discussed above in the article) and 1945 to 1960 (which is discussed in this section).   To clarify that for the reader, I changed the opening sentence of this (1945-1960) section to read: "During the 1940s and 1950s, the ACLU continued its battle against censorship of art and literature.".  Let me know if I should do more. --Noleander (talk) 15:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Racial discrimination
 * "was undoing centuries of racism in federal, state, and local governments" s/b "was the undoing of centuries of racism in federal, state, and local governments" --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "Henderson v. United States decision which " s/b "Henderson v. United States decision that" --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Was the ACLU involved in NAACP v. Alabama ?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No, the ACLU was not directly involved in that case. The source, Walker, the primary historian of the ACLU devotes nearly two pages to that case (and related issues) because it was a major event in the history of civil liberties in the US ... even though the ACLU was not directly involved.  Not sure if it should stay in this article.  Since the ACLU was not involved in the case, perhaps it should be removed. On the other hand, this article is (for now) serving as the "history of civil liberties in the United States, after 1920", so one could argue that it should stay.  Let me know which way to go. --Noleander (talk) 21:54, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Make it clear that the ACLU was not involved or remove it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:10, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge or expand paras 2, 3 & 4. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Police misconduct
 * During the 1950s and 1960s comma --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "ACLU, for example when the ACLU" s/b "ACLU. For example, when the ACLU" --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Expand or merge the final paragraph. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:15, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:57, 9 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Civil liberties revolution of the 1960s
 * Are there any links for "gay rights, prisoner's rights, abortion, rights of the poor, and the death penalty" --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Although one is a red link. --Noleander (talk) 06:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * I suppose that there is no case for "reforming election laws" --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - No, there is no case ... but there is a great article covering the topic Disfranchisement after Reconstruction era, so I linked to that. --Noleander (talk) 06:58, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Is there a case or at least a link for "Georgia congress" --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Yes, both a case and two links. --Noleander (talk) 07:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The Dick Gregory case sounds like a big deal. Is there an important case? Even if it does not have an article, it should be mentioned by name or number. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Yes, there is a case. --Noleander (talk) 07:04, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "Another widely publicized case defended by Morgan was that of Army doctor Howard Levy" please name the case and link it if possible.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Vietnam war
 * There should be a link for "draft resisters", "impeachment of Richard Nixon" and "censorship" --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 07:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Draft card paragraph should have some cases in it. Even just an appellate court one for Miller.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Added 367 F.2d 72: United States of America, Appellee, v. David J. Miller, Defendant-appellant. --Noleander (talk) 07:11, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Why don't you add a case for David O’Brian.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Make "Street v. New York" visiable by name. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 07:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Case for Cohen? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - added Cohen v. California. --Noleander (talk) 07:15, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Enclaves and new civil liberties
 * I removed the third link of Tinker v. Des Moines. Why do we need the 2nd one? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:53, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay - Yes, that was the correct thing to do. --Noleander (talk)


 * In the 1960's comma --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:53, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:27, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * In the landmark O'Connor v. Donaldson decision, in 1975,->In the landmark 1975 O'Connor v. Donaldson decision, --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:53, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:27, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Did the ACLU work with Arthur Eve in New York? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:53, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * I have not seen Eve mentioned in any of the sources I read. The primary ACLU historian, Walker, does not have Eve in his index.  I Googled ACLU & "arthur eve" and only got some rather tenuous results.  So I think the answer is "no". --Noleander (talk) 18:27, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Victim groups
 * Merge or expand first paragraph. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:26, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Should you link the first use of homosexuals? As you use the term, does it differ from gays? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:28, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - I added links to homosexuals and gay rights. Improved wording to make usage more uniform:  "homosexual" as noun when discussing a class of persons;  "gay" as adjective e.g. "gay rights". --Noleander (talk) 18:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Privacy
 * Merge or expand 2nd paragraph. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Does "right to privacy" have a page? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Added link to Privacy laws of the United States. --Noleander (talk) 18:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Link first use of contraceptive earlier. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:46, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Is there a link for either anti-abortion or "right to abortion"? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:34, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Added links to Support for the legalization of abortion and Opposition to the legalization of abortion, which are the closest articles that WP has. --Noleander (talk) 18:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Allegations of liberal bias
 * Yale professor Joseph W. Bishop: If the professor does not have a WP bio, can you affiliate him with a school or department. Maybe link Yale Law School or the History department reference might help. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The Skokie case
 * ACLU assisted Collins and appealed to federal court: does this federal court case have a name and number?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - added Smith v. Collin 447 F.Supp. 676. --Noleander (talk) 21:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Where?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:45, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * convert $500,000 into current dollars.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:32, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a standard WP tool to do this? I'm not sure what multiplier to use for adjusting for inflation.  The source just says $500,000. --Noleander (talk) 21:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * See Bobby Orr, e.g.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:45, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Reagan era
 * This should be linked to Presidency of Ronald Reagan and United States presidential election, 1980. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:39, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "The ACLU won the case" - which one? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:39, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 21:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Are there links for Iran-Contra Scandal as well as a legal case? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:39, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - added link; and also case ID North v. United States 910 F.2d 843. --Noleander (talk) 21:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)


 * 1990 to 2000
 * "the Supreme Court hold" s/b past tense. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The last two paragraphs need to be merged or expanded. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The last two paragraphs need specific cases. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 17:40, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Twenty first century
 * Merge or expand Limbaugh paragraph. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * display the name Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Is the Washington State library web site issue completed?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Is there a case worth mentioning?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:03, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Mention Respect for America's Fallen Heroes Act. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - That sentence was actually a hold-over from some prior editor (I wrote the entire article except the last 3 sections). The case here is about a Missouri state law, not the federal Respect for America's Fallen Heroes Act.   I clarified the text; and I put a mention of the AFHA into a footnote.  --Noleander (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * "The suit was successful."- is there a case? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:12, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * No. The ACLU won at the lowest-level Fed District court.  The press release does not identify the case cite.  As far as I can tell, it did not go to appeals court. --Noleander (talk) 18:07, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Anti-terrorism issues
 * "The ACLU believes such legislation violates either the letter or the spirit of the U.S. Bill of Rights." in what way? against which clause? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Removed that sentence and replaced it with a more precise and authoritative policy statement (quoted) from ACLU itself. --Noleander (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * display American Civil Liberties Union v. Ashcroft. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Merge or expand Al-Kidd v Ashcroft paragraph. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Was the ACLU involved in recent overturning of prop 8? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Why, yes it was. Thanks for pointing that out.  I've added "In 2008, the ACLU was part of a consortium of legal advocates, including Lambda Legal and the National Center for Lesbian Rights, that challenged California's Proposition 8, which declared same-sex marriages illegal.[291] The ACLU and its allies prevailed.[292]".   The appeals ruling was just a few days ago, and I cannot find an official cite for that ... maybe it is not published yet? --Noleander (talk) 18:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


 * In the absence of a reason not to I would add to all commons pages for images of identifiable persons.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 10:12, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
 * What is your interpretation of this tag as it pertains to File:CrystalEastman.jpeg, File:H l mencken.jpg, File:Elizabeth Gurley Flynn point.jpg, File:Japanese American Internment - Members of the Mochida Family Awaiting Evacuation 1942.gif, and File:DennisEugene.jpg? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:20, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - Sorry about that. I am not familiar with   ... I thought it was only for living persons.  Looking closer, I see it is also for deceased.  I've added it to the above images.  Thanks for letting me know about that tag. --Noleander (talk) 14:37, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Why was the File:Scopes trial.jpg that was in this article when I started the review removed? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 14:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - That image is not free.  I'm not sure a fair use justification can be made for this article, since it is a bit remote from the photo.   If you think a fair use rationale is justified, let me know, and I'll craft one.  --Noleander (talk) 14:37, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

2nd pass

 * WP:LEAD
 * still 3673 characters. Can we get it back to the 3200-3500 range (preferably, the low end of the range)? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 17:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Depression era and the New Deal
 * You pipe to FDR twice. Only once is necessary --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 17:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Make it evident to the reader which Roosevelt. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 17:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * World War II
 * Clarify which President Roosevelt. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 17:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Racial discrimination
 * Make it clear that the ACLU was not involved in NAACP v. Alabama or remove it. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - removed. --Noleander (talk) 17:24, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Civil liberties revolution of the 1960s
 * "Another widely publicized case defended by Morgan was that of Army doctor Howard Levy" please name the case and link it if possible. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 17:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Vietnam war
 * Why don't you add a case for David O’Brian? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done --Noleander (talk) 17:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The Skokie case
 * ACLU assisted Collins and appealed to federal court: does this federal court case have a name and number? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - The case ID was in the footnote; I moved it up into the text. --Noleander (talk) 17:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * convert $500,000 into current dollars. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Done - The sources do not give current year dollars, and I'm not aware of a tool to covert to current year dollars ... is there such a tool available? Used the inflation template.    The text now reads: "... and raised over $500,000 ($1,812,121 in 2012 dollars)".  --Noleander (talk) 17:35, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * Twenty first century
 * Is there a Washington State library web site issue case worth mentioning? --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:21, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
 * The footnote contains the federal case name, but it is was a lower court (district court) decision, not appeals or supreme, so it probably doesn't belong in the article body; but I can move it there if you think that would be best. --Noleander (talk) 17:37, 18 February 2012 (UTC)


 * The article is greatly improved through diligent and patient response by the able nominator. I continue to think that there should be some splitting of this article, but its current form meets the standards of WP:WIAGA. Therefore, I PASS the article.  Proper splitting is hard to suggest because there is no one large section that could easily be split off into a sub article. It may be some time before this article is split for that reason.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:04, 19 February 2012 (UTC)