Talk:American Horror Story: Freak Show/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Azealia911 (talk · contribs) 15:39, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello, I'm  Azealia 911  talk and I'll shortly be reviewing this article against the good article criteria. I'm happy to inform you that this article does not meet the grounds for an immediate failure, so a full, thorough review is to come within 48 hours. Thankyou,  Azealia 911  talk 15:39, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate your work and contributions, ! Israeldmo (talk) 21:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

I'd like to thank you first for your review, even if you (unfairly, in my opinion) considered it a failing, it certainly helped me to improve this page, GA nominees Asylum and Coven pages, and GA page Murder House (because, while GA, it definitely needs improvements). I'm late because I didn't have much time this week. I tried to address all your comments, but some of them I had issues.

General

 * All of the images used in the article need alt's.
 * Done. I couldn't find a better text that could fit these images, so I let the actors' names and removed the characters they portray.

Lead

 * "The season is mainly set in 1952 Jupiter, Florida" unless I'm mistaken, it's all set in 1952 Jupiter, Florida?
 * Not done. The season has flashbacks and scenes set in the 60's.


 * "John Cromwell reprising their roles from the series' second cycle" While he plays a character we saw in Asylum, he didn't actually appear in the season, so remove him.
 * Not done. Jonh Cromwell appears in I Am Anne Frank: Part 1 as a young Dr. Arthur Arden, in a flashback.

Plot

 * "her son Jimmy Darling" add something about his lobster hands.
 * "three-breasted wife Desiree Dupree" → "three-breasted hermaphrodite wife Desiree Dupree" I know we eventually find out that she's not a hermaphrodite, but that's how she's sold for most of the season.
 * "finally the tiny treasure from India" sounds very journalistic, try "finally the tiny performer from India"
 * "towards the world" needs a comma after 'world'.
 * "new to the troupe are strongman Dell and his wife Desiree," no mention of her then-hermaphrodite-ness?
 * "also known as Dr. Arthur Arden (James Cromwell)," James doesn't appear in Freak Show, his son does.
 * The B in (Patti Labelle) should be capital.
 * Unlink magician.
 * "drowned" → "drowns"
 * * All done. I put "her lobster-handed son", but I'm not sure if this is good. I'm not English-speaker native.

Cast and characters

 * This section contains no sources whatsoever. This is alarming, not one single source to distinguish if these actors were even in the show, if they were main / secondary characters, nothing.
 * Not done. I don't know exactly what source I should include. The episodes themselves are the source, honestly. Most actors confirmed are sourced in the "Casting" sub-section. There are cast members that the sites didn't report. Also, the sites didn't specify which actor is part of the main cast, which one is a special guest, and which one is recurring (the ones who appeared in more than one episode but weren't considered special guests). I checked some GA and featured articles, like House, and I couldn't find anything helpful. Any suggestion?

Episodes

 * Are the directors, writers and original air dates sourced?
 * Not done. The air dates are included in the ratings refs. The episodes are linked, and these articles are sourced. I checked the Twin Peaks episodes page, which it's a featured list, and it's in the same way.

Development

 * "In November, 2013, FX announced that the show had been renewed for a fourth season." needs citation.
 * Done.

Casting

 * This section needs somewhat re-jigging. The flow of the reading becomes boring around halfway through as it turns into an endless cycle of "*actor* played *character*, *character description*.*actor* played *character*, *character description*.*actor* played *character*, *character description*."
 * I didn't know how to make it better (suggestion are always welcomed), but I organized it.


 * "Patti LuPone was invited back for the fourth season." If I remember correctly, she didn't appear in the season, add something about the result of her offer.
 * I removed this information because it wasn't a formal invitation, the writer basically said the show has always a place for her.

Filming

 * "The premiere episode was directed by co-creator Murphy, his first effort since the pilot." I don't see what relevance this holds to the filming.
 * Not done. I'm not sure if you think this information doesn't belong in this section or if you think the fact that it's the first episode Ryan directed since the pilot isn't relevant. If it's the latter, I think it is. Ryan Murphy is the co-creator and showrunner of the show, and a well-known director, I think it's relevant to know he directed an episode after years not doing that. Do you think I made a mistake?

Marketing

 * This section is very basic, and the actual information cited doesn't even hold much relevance. The fan-made trailer has no connection to the show, and FX washed their hands of it, so I'm not sure why its included. Why are the casts appearances at comic-con not listed here? The endless merchandise? It feels like key information has been left out / that this section has been poorly researched.
 * Not done yet. You're definitely right, but since this section is pretty basic in the Murder House article, which is GA, I didn't know this would be an issue. I'm going to do some research to improve it, using the Hotel article as a basis. I need time to do this, and since you're already concluded this page is failling, that's why I didn't do this yet.
 * EDIT: I confused the Murder House page with the Asylum page. Sorry. Israeldmo (talk) 22:41, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Reviews

 * Again, this section is far too small. If I wanted to be a real ass, I could fail the nomination just on this, citing lack of broad coverage (Point 3 of the good article criteria). You cite Metacritic and Rotten Tomatoes, both of which include nearly forty reviews together. Use them!
 * Not done yet. It's basically for the same reasons as above.

Awards and nominations

 * Expand on the summary of the section, talk about the most prestigious awards it was nominated for, things like Emmy's. Just a single sentence giving a statistic is a little bare.
 * Not done. The lead already talked about some of the most prestigious awards it won, like the Emmys and the Critics' Choice Awards. It would be repetitive. Did I make a mistake?


 * How exactly are these ordered? I can't work it out, it's not alphabetically, nor is it category, nominee or result...
 * Not done yet. I personally don't think it needs to be ordered, but I'm going to do it alphabetically.


 * A large total of 35 entries are unreferenced.
 * They were referenced, but someone made me assume linked articles don't need refs. I only included the 17th CDG Award ref because the article is dated and don't specify the winners. Should I include them back?

Soundtrack

 * Remove the Digital singles sub-heading, its a relativity small section and doesn't need splitting.
 * "Curtain Call" redirects me to the wrong article.
 * All done.