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Requested move 18 February 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Pages moved. John Gast (painter) → American Progress → American Progress (newspaper) + a redirect from American Progress (painting) to American Progress. (non-admin closure)  samee  talk 04:59, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

John Gast (painter) → American Progress (painting) – The article seems to be mostly about the painting, and the painting seems to be much more notable than the artist who made it, about whom little is known. The artist doesn't appear to have any other notable works, so maybe this article should be moved to the painting instead of the artist's name. Bindle-stiff (talk) 03:05, 18 February 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Sky  Warrior  04:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 *  Tentative Support, although the page would have to be rearranged so the painter's bio is lower on the page. I'm surprised American Progress doesn't have a page already. Randy Kryn (talk) 15:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
 * p.s. The page says that other than the American Progress painting little is known about the artist. The artist's only known notable thing is the painting. An interesting story, and the painting is near iconic for the era. So, changed my "tentative" to full support. Bindle-stiff, thanks for bringing this nom. Randy Kryn (talk) 20:38, 18 February 2018 (UTC)


 * If it's to be moved, it might be better to move it to American Progress, and move the current little-viewed article at that title to American Progress (newspaper). |John_Gast_(painter) - Station1 (talk) 09:06, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * "Support" Station1's suggestion, per primary topic. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:20, 24 February 2018 (UTC)


 * Support moving American Progress to American Progress (newspaper) and John Gast (painter) to American Progress, but someone needs to make that suggestion on the American Progress page. Mduvekot (talk) 17:52, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I just added a notice at the talk page there. Station1 (talk) 22:45, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It looks like The is in the masthead there. Dekimasu よ! 22:51, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point. It's also in 2 of the 4 refs. I'd be fine with either title. Station1 (talk) 23:32, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
 * That page can keep its title, as this one will have (painting) added to the title. Codyorb (talk) 18:20, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * No, it looks like the consensus is to make this one primary for American Progress without the descriptor. Randy Kryn (talk) 18:25, 2 March 2018 (UTC)


 * Support per nomination. Codyorb (talk) 18:17, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Procedural note: given the recent notice and change of course for this move discussion, I've relisted it for one more week. Sky  Warrior  04:00, 25 February 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Location of painting?
Does anyone know the present location of the painting? Not mentioned on the page. Randy Kryn (talk) 05:52, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * According to the Library of Congress ref, "Original painting purchased by Gene Autry Western Heritage Museum, 1992." Station1 (talk) 09:06, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Will try to find out if it's still there. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:33, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, found it and added it to the lead. Still at the Autry Museum of the American West, and has more sources on its page linked in the new mention. Thanks again! Randy Kryn (talk) 12:43, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

John Gast (painter)
Actually, a quite decent little bio of Gast has been published. If I ever get my hands on it, an adequate biographical article on Gast is possible. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  02:19, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hello Orangemike,
 * Indeed, the French version has been developped, also.
 * Regards, --Daehan (talk) 19:10, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Interpretrations
I find it interesting that all references to this painting state that the Indigenous Americans are running for their lives away from the advancing Lady Columbia. However there are actually two groups of Indigenous Americans in the painting. When the Indigenous Americans are mentioned with the painting, people only see the ones in the foreground not the ones in the background who are actually dancing and preserving their own music, spirituality, traditions, and cultures. In the same scene you see teepees and a Native American having friendly conversations with an American. And the ones in the foreground that are supposed to be running away look more like they are leading the Lady Columbia with one apparently waiving at her to "come this way" while holding a coup stick. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C50:5C7F:CFAB:E904:A351:82DD:58A4 (talk) 01:49, 28 January 2023 (UTC)