Talk:Amur leopard

Some problems
Some article on problems Pacific pipeline project will cause to Amur Leopard
 * But Alexander fears the Pacific pipeline project would cause irreparable damage. "The population in this area would increase several times," he says. "That means many more poachers; more people straying into the reserve. With a new industrial zone on our doorstep, this area would be impossible for us to protect."

The article leopard talks about this species under the name Panthera pardus amurensis. What is the correct name for the subspecies, amurensis or orientalis?
 * IUCN red list uses orientalis ,as does a 2011 scientific paper . So it seems like orientalis is the more commonly used, although it doesnt necessarily mean that amurensis and orientalis aren't both used. douts (talk) 23:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Also confused
What is it then amurensis or orientalis???

--Francisco Valverd e |Francisco Valverde 22:45, 9 February 2006 (UTC)also in Mexico

Orientalis
According to the Amur Leopard Conservation Support Programme it is orientalis not amurensis.

--Francisco Valverd e |Francisco Valverde 16:59, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello, It is orientalis. Further information on leopard subspecies can be found in the taxonomic notes on the IUCN Red List website.

--ALTA www.amur-leopard.org 15:44, 8 February 2010 (GMT) —Preceding unsigned comment added by AmurLeopardALTA (talk • contribs)

"AMUR LEOPARD" Links
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There are less then 40 AMUR LEOPARDS left in the Wilds

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From: "JOHN"  Date: Fri Jan 19, 2007 9:36 am Subject: Amur Leopard

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'''IUCN Red List of Threatened Species: Panthera pardus ssp. orientalis'''

Amur leopards are now believed to be practically extinct in the mountainous regions of ... In South Korea, the last record of an Amur leopard is from 1969, ... www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php/15957/all - 24k - Cached - Similar pages

http://www.iucnredlist.org/search/details.php/15957/all


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Amur Leopard Conservation Support Programme

This Amur Leopard Conservation Support Programme has grown out of the increasing coordination of the conservation work for Amur leopards between several key organizations – namely The Tigris Foundation, The Zoological Society of London, Moscow Zoo, Phoenix, AMUR and the Wildlife Conservation Society (WCS). This group, along with additional funding partners, has formed the Amur Leopard and Tiger Alliance and is working hard to increase public awareness of and political support for the conservation of both the Amur leopard and the Amur tiger. The Amur Leopard and Tiger Alliance (ALTA) has produced an information sheet (PDF 1.21Mb) with lots of information about the activities in progress to secure a future for both leopards and tigers in the Amur region. The latest ALTA Newsletter (January 2007) is also now available (PDF 642Kb). http://www.amur-leopard.org/


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Wikipedia the free Encyclopedia page on Critically Endangered AMUR LEOPARD:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amur_Leopard

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AMUR — AMUR (Russian Far East) Leopards

The Amur leopard has longer fur for winter warmth and ’open’ rosettes ... For a great deal more detailed information about Amur leopards visit the following ... amur.org.uk/leopards.shtml - 10k - Cached - Similar pages

http://amur.org.uk/leopards.shtml


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WWF - Amur leopard

This is the Amur leopard (Panthera pardus orientalis), also known as the Far East leopard, the Manchurian leopard or the Korean leopard. ... www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/species/our_solutions/priority_species/amur_leopard/index.cfm - 29k - Cached - Similar pages

http://www.panda.org/about_wwf/what_we_do/species/our_solutions/priority_species/amur_leopard/index.cfm

Amur Leopards - Wildlife Conservation Society
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Conservation of the Amur Leopard in the Russian Far East, Wildlife Conservation Society. www.wcs.org/international/Asia/russia/Amurleopard - 40k - Cached - Similar pages

http://www.wcs.org/international/Asia/russia/Amurleopard


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Amur leopard - Panthera pardus orientalis: More Information - ARKive

ARKive - Images of life on Earth. A new digital library of photographs, film clips and accompanying information about endangered species, ... www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Panthera_pardus_orientalis/more_info.html - 26k -

http://www.arkive.org/species/GES/mammals/Panthera_pardus_orientalis/more_info.html


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VIDEO: YouTube - Amur Leopard, watch before they are extinct

Amur Leopard, watch before they are extinct ... The first Leopard who is shown here is a male called "Puzan", the second one with the cub is a female called ... www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdm-k1oKz84 - 78k - Cached - Similar pages

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdm-k1oKz84


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Save The Amur Leopards Petition

There are only around 30 Amur Leopards left in the wild, and only 10 purebred animals in captivity. Poaching, illegal logging, illegal fires, and a massive ... www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/542398780 - 31k - 18 Jan 2007 - Cached - Similar pages

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/542398780?ltl=1169233749

We, the Undersigned, endorse the following petition: Save The Amur Leopards Target: Vladimir Putin, President of the Russian Federation Sponsor: Annelisa Johnson


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Amur Leopard

With only 30 - 40 remaining in the wild, the Amur leopards are listed in international, federal and regional levels as critically endangered and are in immediate danger of extinction.

http://www.amurleopard.com/pages/1/index.htm
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WAZA - World Association of Zoos and Aquariums - Virtual Zoo

This studbook forms the basis for conservation breeding programmes operated at the regional level by several zoo associations for the Amur leopard (Panthera ... www.waza.org/virtualzoo/factsheet.php?id=112-007-002-004&view=Cats - 27k - Cached - Similar pages

http://www.waza.org/virtualzoo/factsheet.php?id=112-007-002-004&view=Cats


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NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC NEWS: Photo in the News: World's Rarest Big Cat Captured

November 16, 2006

In the remote forests of southeastern Russia, scientists have captured what's believed to be the rarest big cat on Earth: a Far Eastern leopard. The animal is so scarce that only 30 are thought to survive in the wild. The team, led by biologists from the New York-based Wildlife Conservation Society, caught the 100-pound (45-kilogram) male in a snare last week while studying Siberian tigers in the Russian Far East, 20 miles (32 kilometers) from the Chinese border (See Russia map). The chance capture gave biologists a priceless opportunity to study the elusive feline, and Melody Roelke (below), a specialist in big-cat genetics with the U.S. National Institutes of Health, wasn't shy about getting a closer look. She and other team members conducted a thorough series of tests on the leopard, from studying its teeth to collecting sperm samples, before releasing the animal back into the wild. Among the scientists' main concerns is whether Far Eastern leopards, also known as Amur leopards, can continue to sustain their tiny, isolated population, or whether disease and inbreeding may eventually wipe out the cats. "This capture represents a milestone in our cooperative efforts to save the Far Eastern leopard and Siberian tiger from extinction," said Dale Miquelle, director of the Wildlife Conservation Society's Russia Program, in a statement. "With the information gained from these animals, and others to come, we will be in a much better position to determine appropriate conservation actions." —Blake de Pastino • More Photos in the News • Today's 15 Most Read Stories • Free Email Newsletter: Focus on Photography Photographs courtesy John Goodrich/Wildlife Conservation Society

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2006/11/061116-russia-leopard.html

Atulsnischal 20:43, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Bad & Broken Link(s) in Article
Links 3 & 4 to news stories are bad in the references.
 * The third reference to the CNN news story is broken. MasterOfHisOwnDomain (talk) 20:03, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

66.56.28.232 19:23, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Government Conservation Programs
I've added new section: Government Conservation Programs.

It talks about a new program aimed to increase the population of Amur Leopards. I've provided a reference to the respectable Russian news agency web-site. I've also added the reference section as it was missing. I will add a couple more things to this page soon. If you have any questions please do not hesitate to ask. Andreyx109 (talk) 22:55, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

IUCN red list status
As of 15th February 2012, the IUCN red list website still lists the Amur leopard as Critically Endangered. Also as there is no citation for the statement saying this species is extinct in the wild (intro), i have reverted this back to Critically Endangered. http://www.iucnredlist.org/apps/redlist/details/15957/0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douts (talk • contribs) 22:40, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Protection
Would it be worth placing some protection on the article in order to prevent it being vandalised, which had happened repeatedly over the last few months? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douts (talk • contribs) 09:46, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

cold snowy climate?
A reader noted the sentence: The Amur leopard is the only leopard subspecies adapted to a cold snowy climate. and asked about Snow leopard.

I don't have the subject matter expertise to weigh in, but hope someone here can. (OTRS agents see )-- S Philbrick  (Talk)  15:56, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The snow leopard is NOT a leopard Panthera pardus subspecies, but a distinct species Panthera uncia. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 12:15, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

confusing sentence
Along with leopards crossing between Russia, China, and North Korea across the Tumen River despite a high and long wire fence marking the boundary. -- that sentence is not well formed. 97.94.139.106 (talk) 16:37, 4 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I've reworded the sentence – I hope that's better. —Bruce1eetalk 05:05, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

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Amur leopard versus other leopards in the Far East
In 2017, the Cat Classification Task Force of the Cat Specialist Group subsumed P. p. japonensis to P. p. orientalis, as in, they see the North Chinese leopard as being the same subspecies as the Amur leopard. At least the historic ranges of both populations include Manchuria or Northeastern China, so the new classification could solve the issue of which subspecies a leopard in that place would fit, but Uphyrkina et al. (2001) did say that though P. p. japonensis and P. p. orientalis were contiguous, the same goes for the former and P. p. delacouri, and that the association between all three is weak. Leo1pard (talk) 16:03, 11 December 2017 (UTC)

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Contradictory distribution information
Unless I am misunderstanding the information presented, it appears there is contradictory information regarding the Amur's distribution. The "Current Population and Distribution" section says the Amur inhabits about 5,000 km2. "The Forest Degradation" section states they only exist in an area smaller than 2,500 km2". If one of these two statistics cannot be sourced it should be removed to avoid confusing readers. If both can be sourced, these two conflicting statements should be combined into one sentence that says something along the lines of,  "The current population of wild individuals resides in an area estimated to be between 2500 and 5000 square kilometres" . To avoid redundancy (as Wikipedia generally calls for) it seems this information should possibly be removed from the "Forest Degradation" section and retained only in the "Current Population and Distribution" section". – Down time (talk) 18:59, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing out the contradictory info! I checked and removed the faulty info in the "Forest Degradation" section. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 09:40, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

Requested move to Far Eastern leopard 8 August 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Move back to previous title of Amur leopard. The consensus of those participating is to go back to the old title, prior to the bold move made last week. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 17:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Northeast Asian leopard → Far Eastern leopard – The name "Far Eastern leopard" is long established for this subspecies, along with "Amur leopard", whereas the name "Northeast Asian leopard" has to date NOT been used in any scientific source. BhagyaMani (talk) 13:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)

The following list shows only a selection of several books and articles using this name in the title:
 * Miquelle, D.G., Arzhanova, T.D. and Solkin, V., 1996. A Recovery Plan for Conservation of the Far Eastern Leopard: results of an international conference held in Vladivostok. Russia. 81pp.
 * Augustine, J., Miquelle, D.G. and Korkishko, V.G., 1996. Preliminary results of the Far Eastern Leopard Project: implication for conservation and management. Zov Taigi 4(27): 6-11.
 * Pikunov, D.G., Abramov, V.K., Korkishko, V.G., Aramiliev, V.V., Arzhanova, T.D., Karakin, V.P., Fomenko, P.V., Yudin, V.G., Lukarevskiy, V.S. and Nikolaev, I.G. 1999. Strategy for the conservation of the Far Eastern leopard in Russia. Moscow: World Wildlife Fund.
 * Uphyrkina, O., Miquelle, D., Quigley, H., Driscoll, C. and O'Brien, S.J. 2002. Conservation genetics of the Far Eastern leopard (Panthera pardus orientalis). Journal of heredity 93(5): 303-311.
 * Kostyria, A.V., Skorodelov, A.S., Miquelle, D.G., Aramilev, V.V. and McCullough, D. 2003. Results of camera trap survey of far eastern leopard population in southwest Primorski Krai, winter 2002–2003. Wildlife Conservation Society, Institute of Sustainable Use of Nature Resources, University of California (Berkeley), Vladivostok, Russia.
 * Aramilev, V.V., Kostyria, A.V., Sokolov, S.A., Rybin, A.N., Mc-Cullough, D. and Miquelle, D. 2010. Monitoring of Far eastern leopard population (Panthera pardus orientalis) with photo traps. In Proceedings of International Conference «The Amur Tiger in Northeast Asia: Planning for the 21st Century. pp. 345-351.
 * Hebblewhite, M., Miquelle, D.G., Murzin, A.A., Aramilev, V.V. and Pikunov, D.G. 2011. Predicting potential habitat and population size for reintroduction of the Far Eastern leopards in the Russian Far East. Biological Conservation 144(10): 2403-2413.
 * Spitzen, V.V., Miquelle, D.G., Darman, Y.A., Aramilev, V.V., Hötte, M., Bereznyuk, S.L., Laptev, A.A., Aramileva, T.S., Myslenkov, A.A., Kerley, L.L. and Salkina, G. 2012. A Program for Reintroduction of The Far Eastern Leopard Into Southern Sixhote-Alin, Primorskii Krai, Russian Far East. Amur Leopard Reintroduction. The Amur Leopard and Tiger Alliance, The Amur Leopard and Tiger Alliance, pp. 88-106.
 * Sulikhan, N.S., Gilbert, M., Blidchenko, E.Y., Naidenko, S.V., Ivanchuk, G.V., Gorpenchenko, T.Y., Alshinetskiy, M.V., Shevtsova, E.I., Goodrich, J.M., Lewis, J.C. and Goncharuk, M.S. 2018. Canine Distemper Virus in a Wild Far Eastern Leopard (Panthera pardus orientalis). Journal of Wildlife Diseases 54(1): 170-174. BhagyaMani (talk) 13:16, 8 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Agree, but then make it clear that it is different to the Indochinese leopard (P. p. delacouri) and the Javan leopard (P. p. melas), because Indochina and Sunda Islands are also considered as being in the Far East. Leo1pard (talk) 13:41, 8 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Leo1pard, can you explain why you made the original move away from Amur leopard? Dekimasu よ! 21:01, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Because the Amur leopard (P. p. orientalis) is a population that has been distinguished from the North Chinese leopard (formerly P. p. japonensis), and I thought that "Northeast Asian leopard" would make sense as a name for the subspecies that includes both populations, given that they are both in Northeast Asia. Leo1pard (talk) 16:22, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree. The Latin name of this subspecies is non-ambiguous, hence canNOT be confounded with any of the others! -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:47, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:RM. Dekimasu よ! 21:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Agree, but I have never seen it referred to as the Far Eastern leopard, only as the Amur leopard. That seems to be the name commonly used by documentaries, so maybe we should either (a) move it to Amur leopard, or (b) create a redirect from Amur leopard to Far Eastern leopard.--SilverTiger12 (talk) 12:04, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 23:19, 13 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose both and revert to stable title, Amur leopard. This article was at Amur leopard for 14 consecutive years until an undiscussed move on August 7, the day before this move request began. Google Ngrams returns results for Amur leopard only: . The sources given above are helpful but they do not go to show the relative prevalence of these names, which is heavily in favor of the stable title, "Amur leopard." The sources in the article and the external links also favor a return to Amur leopard, and the proposer of the current move recognizes that "Amur leopard" is well established. Had this been caught earlier, I would have requested reversion through WP:RMUM. Dekimasu よ! 21:28, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Amur leopard per Dekimasu and WP:COMMONNAME, Oppose other titles. Iffy★Chat -- 21:15, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I can very well understand Dekimasu's and Iffy's line of arguments for keeping the 14-year old name and title. My reason for favouring 'Far Eastern leopard' over the new irrelevant name was : the North-Chinese leopard has been subsumed to P. l. orientalis, so that the name 'Far Eastern leopard' reflects the range of this subspecies better than 'Amur leopard', and is not associated with a specific country. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 21:50, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Common names don't necessarily reflect full ranges, though. The Eurasian teal winters in Africa; the Aleutian cackling goose can be found in California. And I don't think Amur is associated with a specific country. After all, the Amur River serves as a border. Dekimasu よ! 18:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Almost support I have only ever heard Amur leopard. If you told me “Far East leopard” or “Northeast Asian leopard,” I’d be lost  User:Dunkleosteus77 &#124;push to talk 04:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Support Amur leopard. This is the widely used common name and is unambiguous. It is used by the World Wildlife Fund and the Zoological Society of London, and is also used on recent articles in Scientific American and National Geographic, as well as numerous mainstream media articles. A google search for "Northeast Asian leopard" picks up this Wikipedia article and a number of articles refering to the Amur leopard. "Far Eastern leopard" is slightly better, but most of those say the "Far Eastern or Amur leopard". Very few articles call it anything else without mentioning that it is also called the Amur leopard.  Jts1882 &#124; talk 06:31, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I think that where two or a number of names are used for the same thing, we should always opt for the one used in scientific publications over the name most used. Also important to note that the scientific literature used as reference should be recent, as it often happens that over time new information leads to name changes, just like it just as often leads to reclassification of species. Names most used can always be redirected and inclued as "also known as" in the article. After all, if we are to serve as a fountain of information, we should strive to present it as accurately as possible. Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 18:34, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

This discussions was supposed to close yesterday already. Of seven people who commented, four clearly favour a revert to the long-established title 'Amur leopard'. I'm fine with that too!! The more so as even Chinese authors use this name in a recent article: Does anybody opt for waiting another day ? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 18:52, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Yang, H., Zhao, X., Han, B., Wang, T., Mou, P., Ge, J. and Feng, L. 2018. Spatiotemporal patterns of Amur leopards in northeast China: Influence of tigers, prey, and humans. Mammalian Biology 92: 120-128.
 * The "name most used" is the convention for naming on Wikipedia, however (WP:COMMONNAME, and WP:NCFAUNA: "Use the most common name when possible"). As for waiting another day, someone involved will come along to close this request. One of us should not close it. Dekimasu よ! 01:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I am confused. The proposal was "that Northeast Asian leopard be renamed and moved to Far Eastern leopard", and I count quite a few "Agrees". Now you say that "four clearly favour a revert to the long-established title 'Amur leopard'". Can you explain? Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 19:05, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Dekimasu, Iffy, Dunkleosteus77, Jts1882 support Amur leopard, hence four people. SilverTiger12 agreed to moving to Far Eastern leopard, but see his comment above. Consensus seems to be to NOT keep the title Northeast Asian leopard. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 19:23, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * In this case, according to the established process at RM, no consensus for a particular title would lead to reversion to the stable title. Dekimasu よ! 01:20, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

But what about the fact that the North Chinese leopard (formerly P. p. japonensis, now P. p. orientalis) has been distinguished from the Amur leopard, but that it is in the same subspecies as it, in the same way that the Siberian tiger (formerly Panthera tigris altaica) has been distinguished from the Bengal tiger (Panthera tigris tigris), but is treated as being in the same subspecies as it nowadays? Leo1pard (talk) 13:21, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * What does this question have to do with an irrelevant page title?? -- BhagyaMani (talk) 13:36, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Let me go step by step, the Siberian tiger (formerly Panthera tigris altaica), from the region where Korea meets China and Russia, is a different population of the tiger to the Bengal tiger (Panthera tigris tigris) of South Asia, but in 2017, the Cat Specialist Group grouped them together as one subspecies, that is the Mainland Asian tiger (Panthera tigris tigris), right? Leo1pard (talk) 14:58, 17 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This discussion is about a requested move to a species's common name and article title, but NOT about classification and common names of other species. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 16:57, 17 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2019
2605:A000:F481:F700:51FD:B3FF:DD54:16BB (talk) 22:03, 15 January 2019 (UTC) I have information
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 22:24, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

About fate of leopards in Northern China
It's said in the article that Amur Leopards are only avaliable in Chinese-Russian border.However,it is available in Northern China,and the population is relatively big(though it's estimated that about 75% of them live in Shanxi Province).I have been searching behind the Firewall for an hour,only to find that the earliest report of Amur Leopard was in 2009,which stated that,“The population of Northern China Leopard(that is what we call about Amur Leopard) has been declining from 1987 to 2009.”Seems interesting,umm?So it can be inferred that the fate of Amur Leopard isn't as horrible as what is claimed in the article. Frost-CHN (talk) 16:02, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2023
there are about 80 amur leopards in the wild in 2023. 96.74.89.254 (talk) 20:25, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 23:11, 26 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The first and second paragraphs contradict each other. 184.145.18.235 (talk) 16:12, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

Balancing Leopard Conservation and Regional Development in Northeast China and Russia
Collaborative conservation efforts are crucial for protecting Amur leopards in Northeast China and Russia. To achieve this, a balance must be struck between leopard recovery and the region's political and economic growth, including the creation of ecological corridors and expanded reserves. Sustainable land use and alternative economic strategies are essential to support local development while preserving biodiversity and ecosystem health. Sujal 3011 (talk) 23:16, 27 October 2023 (UTC) here is the source you can view for detailed information: Wang, T., Feng, L., Yang, H., Han, B., Zhao, Y., Juan, L., Lü, X., Zou, L., Li, T., Xiao, W., Mou, P., Smith, J. L., & Ge, J. (2017, June). A science-based approach to guide Amur leopard recovery in China. Biological Conservation, 210, 47–55. https://doi.org/10.1016/j.biocon.2016.03.014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sujal 3011 (talk • contribs) 23:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)


 * This article is already referenced, and according to its abstract, the authors present results of a population density estimate. The section on conservation of WP pages usually contains information on legal protection status in range countries of a species and successfully implemented measures to improve protection in the field. But this section does usually not contain what should be and must be done. -- BhagyaMani (talk) 07:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2023
Collaborative conservation efforts are crucial for protecting Amur leopards in Northeast China and Russia. To achieve this, a balance must be struck between leopard recovery and the region's political and economic growth, including the creation of ecological corridors and expanded reserves. Sustainable land use and alternative economic strategies are essential to support local development while preserving biodiversity and ecosystem health. detailed information on: Sujal 3011 (talk) 23:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Not done, see reply in previous section. – BhagyaMani (talk) 07:44, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Proposed update to the weight range given for male specimens.
"At the beginning of the fall in 2011, Scientists from the Academy of Sciences in Russia equipped an adult male with a satellite collar. The animal weighed 62kg and was in excellent health, about 5 or 6 years old."

https://www.tendua.org/newsletter-no7,069?artpage=3-5

With respect to this information I believe we should update the current weight range of males from 32-48kg, to 32-62kg. Von Herre (talk) 01:33, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
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RE: P. p. japonensis
P. p. japonesis was subsumed under P. p. orientalis in 2017, and this article treats it as such (and so do other articles, like the lack of a P. p. japonensis article), but this is still contentious at best. The following two papers discuss reasons why they do not accept the merge, and to my knowledge, no groups working with the animals accept this change either:

Vitekere, K., Consolee, K., Zaman, M., Karanja, H., Hua, Y. and Jiang, G. (2020) ‘Insights on the North China Leopard (Panthera pardus japonensis Gray, 1862): Challenges in distribution, population status, threats, and implications for conservation’, Journal of Animal and Plant Sciences, 31, pp. 1–18.

Yang, H., Xie, B., Zhao, G., Gong, Y., Mou, P., Ge, J. and Feng, L. (2021) ‘Elusive cats in our backyards: persistence of the North Chinese leopard (Panthera pardus japonensis) in a human‐dominated landscape in central China’, Integrative Zoology, 16(1), pp. 67–83. Available at: https://doi.org/10.1111/1749-4877.12482.

The following charities (amongst others) refer to orientalis as not including japonensis: WWF – https://www.worldwildlife.org/species/amur-leopard WCS – https://conservewildcats.org/portfolio/monitoring-amur-leopards-and-tigers/ Land of the Leopard National Park – https://leopard-land.ru/ Phoenix Fund – https://fundphoenix.org/

I therefore propose that this article treats them as distinct subspecies. I am happy to make the changes myself but I am checking here first before I do so (a P. p. japonensis article will also be needed, to semi-replace Chinese leopard). DevonianShark (talk) 06:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I think the article should continue to treat them as one subspecies as overall structure. The project has decided to follow the cat group classification for articles titles and taxobox classification, which provides consistency across articles. However, alternative views should be discussed in the article. For a start, you could add a paragraph at the end of the taxonomy section explaining the controversy (there is a similar one with tigers, especially people working on the Malayan tiger). Then additions to other sections can deal with relevant differences (size, coloration, etc). —  Jts1882 &#124; talk 08:31, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Neither Vitekere et al. (2020) nor Yang et al. (2021) provide any morphological or genetic evidence or argument for treating japonensis as distinct from orientalis; these are NOT taxonomic papers. And what charities publish on their blogs is irrelevant here. BhagyaMani (talk) 11:42, 24 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure, but they do highlight that it is far from agreed on. If the conservation groups working on the ground with the animals consider them separate, and no academic papers focusing on either the Russian or Chinese populations after 2017 appear to group them together either, then imo that should come above the Cat Specialist Group’s claims. But if that’s what Wikipedia follows, so be it, I’ll just add some bits about it not being widely accepted. DevonianShark (talk) 01:48, 25 May 2024 (UTC)