Talk:Ananda Ranga Pillai

Peer Review
I've been asked to provide a peer review on this article. Below are my thoughts:


 * The last two paragraphs in the lead should be combined, no need to keep them separate especially since it creates a stub paragraph.
 * I've merged both of them- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 07:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Photo in lead has a clean up tag, it's a suggestion to upload the photo in PNG format. Probably won't disqualify it from GA consideration but should be addressed if possible.
 * Resolved. I've uploaded a *.png image- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 07:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Stub paragraph in the Early Career section, needs to be combined or expanded.
 * Merged the paragraph with another- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 07:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Honestly I'm not sure the story at the beginning of the Rise to Power section is important enough to warrant inclusion. It really doesn't seem to add much.  Your thoughts on this would be appreciated.
 * I, too, have a similar opinion on this. I've removed the paragraph- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 07:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The paragraph about the debt of Pillai appears to say that not only was his interest payments (which I thought was the crux of the dispute) waived, but his entire debt was waived. Is that true?  If that's the case you may want to emphasize that as it would seem pretty generous to waive the entire debt, especially since the issue appears to be only the interest due on the debt.
 * Yeah, that's what Pillai claims in his diaries. Pillai pleaded with the Governor-General cutting a very sorry face and the Governor-General supposedly waived the whole debt.- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 02:26, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Another stub paragraph in the Rise to Power section.
 * The last couple of sentences in the section before the Rise to Power section appear to be out of chronological order, consider moving them into the next section. Read it and see if what I'm saying makes sense.
 * The photo in this section also has a clean up tag, you'll need to find the author of the upload.\
 * I hadn't uploaded this picture. I'll message the uploader about this- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 07:16, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh! I guess there has been a misunderstanding. Are you speaking of the picture of Dupleix or that of the Anglo-French Carnatic wars?- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 08:20, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * This entire paragraph is somewhat confusing to me, "Apart from pleasing the Governor through his service, Ananda Ranga Pillai also incurred the Governor’s wrath on certain occasions. There was at least one occasion during the period when Ananda Ranga was questioned by Dupleix regarding payment of the large sum of money he owed to the Company.[32]Ananda Ranga Pillai, however, soon cleared off his debts by paying one Suga Singh the money the Company owed him.[33] However, still, Dupleix demanded 1,000 pagodas that Ananda Ranga Pillai owed the Company.[34] It was evident that much more than the service Ananda Ranga Pillai had rendered to the Company, it was Ananda Ranga Pillai’s position as Dupleix’s favorite that had helped him scale the ladder." At one point Pillai owes large sums of money to the company, then he clears his debts by paying Suga Singh the money the Company owed him, I thought he owed money to the Company.  The last couple of sentences are really unclear.  Dupleix demands 1,000 pagodas (is that money?) but the last sentence, "It was evident that much more than the service Ananda Ranga Pillai had rendered to the Company, it was Ananda Ranga Pillai’s position as Dupleix’s favorite that had helped him scale the ladder" doesn't seem to clarify anything.  Are words missing?  It was evident what was much more than the service he rendered to the company.
 * In this paragraph, "Pillai also expressed strong disapproval of some of the allegedly corrupt measures of Governor Dupleix's wife Madame Dupleix.[60][62] The bitterness led to open hostilities between them. Pillai was given the charge of collecting the revenue of a few villages in Karaikal and he performed his duties satisfactorily despite the prevalence of incosistencies and incorrectness in some of the records kept by his subordinate agents.[54]" The first two sentences do not seem to go with the last sentence, they appear to be completely different topics.
 * The last paragraph in the Death and legacy seciton is a stub and should be expanded or combined with another paragraph.
 * You have some formatting issues with some of your citations. I've fixed a few, you need to make sure there is a space between the end of the reference and the next sentence.  Also make sure the reference is listed after the punctuation.

So that's my review. There's primarily prose issues here, some structural stuff that should be cleaned up. Coverage is good, albeit a bit too detailed in a spot. There's one problem that may throw a wrench in all of this though, see WP:PRIMARY, it discusses the use of primary sources for articles. The MOS strongly discourages heavy reliance on primary sources for articles. I note that this article is almost exclusively sourced by Pillai's diary. That is a primary source and would, in my opinion, go against this portion of the MOS. So if I were the GA reviewer I would have to fail the article on this unless you could very convincingly persuade me that this article doesn't violate the MOS on this account, or you completely resourced the article with secondary sources (a herculean task to be sure). Think on this, I'd like to hear what you think about the review and especially these thoughts on primary sources. H1nkles (talk) 16:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Migosh! That's bad! I thought I had clinched this one. Anyway, since most of this article relies on Pillai's diaries, I don't think it's going to be an easy job rewriting the whole article with alternate sources. I guess I gotto forget about nominating this one for a GA, atleast for the time being. Hmmm, let me see how far I can improve this one. I can take this probably upto a "B", perhaps- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 04:57, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a tricky call. It probably won't pass, which is unfortunate because it is a good article and it's obvious that a lot of work went into it.  Keep up the good work.  H1nkles (talk) 05:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually the sections "Early Life", "As chief dubash" and "Later life" are sourced from the preface given by the translator which might probably not fall under primary sources. The section on Pillai's "Rise to power" is, however, entirely based on his writings. I'll fix the other issues that you have mentioned by Thursday afternoon Indian Standard time. Cheers- The Enforcer Office of the secret service 18:29, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, I would still nominate it, my interpretation of the MOS may be off. It's worth a shot.  All they can do is fail it.  H1nkles (talk) 01:44, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

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