Talk:Ananus ben Ananus

There seems to be a problem with the wording in the section about the passage in Josephus related to the reference to the stoning of James. It reads: "This account is not regarded as authentic by all Biblical scholars. L. Michael White considers the account to be spurious on the grounds that no parallel account exists in the Antiquities of the Jews." However, this citation is to Antiquities, 20.9.1. So I am assuming that the last reference here is not to Antiquities, but should read "Jewish Wars."

Grog225 (talk) 01:11, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Death
According to the third episode of the BBC series Ancient_Rome:_The_Rise_and_Fall_of_an_Empire, Ananus ben Ananus was murdered by John of Giscala. --Oddeivind (talk) 09:25, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Rename

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The result of the move request was: page moved by Paul Barlow. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:15, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Ananus the son of Ananus → Ananus ben Ananus – The name of the article should be based on one thing: the most common form in public usage. In a Google search Ananus ben Ananus comes up 4 times as much as Ananus the son of Ananus. tahc chat 20:25, 24 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment User:Tahc what do you intend here? You entered the current title post User:Eric Kvaalen's undiscussed move 24 May Talk:Ananus ben Ananus to Talk:Ananus the son of Ananus: No reason to use the Hebrew word for "son" in the middle of a Latinized name) back to longstanding stable title. If you're reverted an undiscussed move per WP:BRD it can usually be done by a technical move request. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:14, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the template header, although the search links appear to be plain Google not Google Books - in Google Books "ben" is used in modern books "son of" in old editions of Josephus. In ictu oculi (talk) 00:20, 25 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't know how to request such a technical move. If you can do this, please go ahead. tahc chat 05:23, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll bet the reason why "Ananus ben Ananus" is so common according to Google is because of Wikipedia influencing other sites! It's ridiculous to call him that. Nobody in his lifetime ever called him that. It's like calling Yeshua of Nazareth "Jesus ben Joseph", or calling Marcus Aurelius "Mark filius Mark"! Eric Kvaalen (talk) 15:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Even if we did know he was not called this or that in his lifetime, it would not matter. It would be the same as many other people on Wikipedia, like Confucius, also known as Kong Qiu, etc. If you think the policy to use the most commonly recognizable name needs changing then you can discuss it over at Wikipedia talk:Article titles. tahc chat 17:11, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I'm not saying we should never use a name different from what the person was called during his lifetime. But it's ridiculous to mix Latin and Hebrew like "Ananus ben Ananus", or "Jesus ben Josephus", or to mix English and Latin as in "Mark filius Mark". I don't know how people started using this ridiculous form, but it's just stupid to continue because supposedly it's the most common form now. As I said, that may be because of Wikipedia itself!

By the way, in Hebrew his name would have been Hanan ben Hanan, but since people spoke mostly Aramaic and Greek, it would be more appropriate to call him Hanna bar Hanna or Annas huios Anna (or Ananos Ananou).

Eric Kvaalen (talk) 15:57, 28 May 2014 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter if it's ridiculous or not to mix languages. A television is still called a television and the Third Reich isn't going to become the Third Realm. It's the most common form of the name. Paul B (talk) 18:55, 3 June 2014 (UTC)


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