Talk:Android fat distribution

Peer Review Suggestions
This is a great start to an article and is extremely clear in its description of what android fat is. By referring to gynoid fat, the reader is able to understand what the other types of fat are - resulting in a more thorough understanding of the topic. You also include a lengthy list of references, which allows for good credibility of your page. To enhance the article further, I would suggest perhaps adding images of the body types you discuss in the article. Although your descriptions of the body shapes are clear, this will provide a nice visual.

I would recommend altering your lead section slightly. Whilst you outline what android fat is, you do not outline fully what you will talk about in the article. If you do alter this, ensure that you briefly outline what is related to android fat, in the order that the article will present it in.

Finally, I would put a brief description of who Jean Vague is (or link his name to another article if possible). Although it my seem fairly arbitrary to do so, the layperson may not know who he is. DishaK94 (talk) 19:18, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

''Thank you for this feedback, we have beun making the recommended changes. please let us know if the changes we made look like what you were expecting. we are still waiting to get copyright approval for the use of a few images, which we will then add! Also, we could not find a page for Jean Vague but have added a few words on who he was. Thank you!'' Psych1316 (talk) 14:41, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review
I have read some of the points below and would love to inform you that there is in fact now a gynoid fat distribution wikipedia page! So to improve your article you may want to look at the section written on the gynoid fat page regarding WHR as I have written a solid paragraph discussing the relationship between gynoid fat, android fat and the WHR which you could use to improve your article also. For example, the differences between android and gynoid fat and how these both relate to WHR (i.e. a low WHR means a higher gynoid fat to android fat ratio, and is seen to be more attractive). The references are all on the Gynoid fat distribution page if you would like to have a read, they are all reliable, appropriate and very interesting. So you could add these two together under one headline, as suggested previously, along with the WHR section.

Similarly, I have also written a section on 'cosmetic surgery' on the gynoid fat distribution wikipedia page, so you could look at these to see how to improve your own section. For example, you could highlight the fact that cosmetic surgery is evolutionarily novel. However, instead of explaining it in terms of gynoid fat (please see the page) you could explain it with more relevance to Android fat to fit the page. You may want to discuss the issue of 'tummy tucks' and other cosmetic measures used to reduce the amounts of android fat distribution in order to appear to have a lower WHR (lower ratio of android to gynoid fat distribution) as this would strengthen that section. In the cosmetic surgery section on the gynoid fat page, I have also discussed why a lower WHR is attractive in terms of evolution (i.e. higher fertility, more youthful etc.) so you could do the same in relation to android fat, such that higher levels are viewed as unhealthy and thus less attractive, and you would need to do some research to back this up.

I can see that you have written 'see gynoid fat distribution' however your article would be strengthened a lot by writing about WHR and these other headings from an android fat perspective.

It is great that you have mentioned cultural differences in android fat, but you may want to further expand on the gender differences you mention in this paragraph: "men showed greater body fat mass than women. Men showed a total body fat mass of 6.9 kg and women showed a total body fat mass of 4.5 kg.[21] These observed difference could be due to a difference in muscularity" as they are only briefly mentioned at the end of the paragraph with little explanation.

On a final note, you have a great introduction to your page and have used a diverse collection of references. Overall the article looks like it is under great construction.

Flocambridge (talk) 17:54, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for your feedback. we have taken a lot of it on board and began making some of the changes. The point you make about tummy tucks is very interesting so we will have a look into that. We had a look at your page on gynoid fat but wanted to avoid repeating any of the same information as you page is linked in ours, so if readers wanted to read up more about WHR we can direct them to your page. this is just to avoid confusion as topics like WHR are talked about from a gynoid perspective in the literature more so than an android perspective, so for this reason we avoided overlap in some topics. Thanks for your comments! Psych1316 (talk) 14:45, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Content suggestions
There are currently no sources cited anywhere in the article which is something which needs to be addressed in order to improve the credibility of the information provided for this topic. For example, the definition of android fat distribution which is presently "the distribution of human adipose tissue mainly around the trunk and upper body, in areas such as the abdomen, chest, shoulder and nape of neck" has not be cited  but it should be changed in order to ensure it has come from a reliable source.

After an introduction paragraph defining android fat distribution, the information could be split into clear sub-sections making the article easier and more enjoyable to read. This could include a section on the effects of android fat distribution, the cultural differences of the perception of android fat, the role of android fat in sexual selection, etc. In doing so, the article would be more well organised and information would be presented in a logical manner as currently the information appears to be somewhat scattered. There is much research in this area linking android fat to a variety of topics, many of which would be interesting to explore in this article.

Since there is currently no Wikipedia page for gynoid fat distribution and it links closely to android fat distribution, both matters could be discussed in one article under a new title of ‘Body Fat Distribution’. The gynoid fat segment could be laid out in the same way as the android fat segment, using similar distinct sub-sections as suggested above. TashK (talk) 15:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


 * In reference to the above, combining android and gynoid fat under one article heading would better allow for content on the role of fat distribution in reproduction, specifically the impact of gynoid to android fat ratios on female reproductive success and fertility. Though it is correct in defining android fat distribution as more masculine, this article currently does not reference the role of android fat depots in females. Content on the role of gynoid fat in reproduction, and the particular forms of fat depots which are considered attractive would be useful. Thornhill and Gangestad (2008) offer a detailed section on the role of fat in female reproduction. It would also be worth referencing the role of android fat in males in terms of sexual desirability (e.g. waist-to-shoulder ratios and their impact on the desirability of romantic partners, or the android distribution as a more typically healthy masculine body shape. A good starting point for this would be the paper by Braun and Bryan (2006) ) Tesjh27 (talk) 16:14, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

If you include both android and gynoid fat under one headline, it may be good to include images to represent where this type of fat is distributed, and how these tend to be shown differently when discussing male and female body shape. Taylahurlock (talk) 20:31, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello, I am looking at adding to this page, including the suggested sections of cultural changes in perceptions of fat distribution and sexual selection. Here are some of the resources I am looking to use. More will be added with time. Thanks.

Singh, D., & Luis, S. (1995). Ethnic and gender consensus for the effect of waist-to-hip ratio on judgment of women’s attractiveness. Human Nature, 6(1), 51-65.

Singh, D. (1993). Adaptive significance of female physical attractiveness: role of waist-to-hip ratio. Journal of personality and social psychology, 65(2), 293.

Singh, D. (1995). Female judgment of male attractiveness and desirability for relationships: role of waist-to-hip ratio and financial status. Journal of personality and social psychology, 69(6), 1089. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Psych1316 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

BOUCHARD, C., Despres, J. P., & MAURIÈGE, P. A. S. C. A. L. E. (1993). Genetic and nongenetic determinants of regional fat distribution. Endocrine reviews, 14(1), 72-93.

Blouin, K., Boivin, A., & Tchernof, A. (2008). Androgens and body fat distribution. The Journal of steroid biochemistry and molecular biology, 108(3), 272-280.

Hallal, P. C., Wells, J. C. K., Bertoldi, A. D., Gazalle, F. K., Silva, M. C., Domingues, M. R., ... & Gigante, D. P. (2005). A shift in the epidemiology of low body mass index in Brazilian adults. European journal of clinical nutrition, 59(9), 1002-1006. Psych1316 (talk) 11:55, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi. i am planning to add a section on sex differences in android fat in males and females and the general health implications. These are some of the Sources i will be using:

Goran MI, Allison DB & Poehlman ET. Issues relating to normalization of body fat content in men and women. International Journal of Obesity 1995; 19: 638–643.

Okosun, I., Seale, J., & Lyn, R. (2015). Commingling effect of gynoid and android fat patterns on cardiometabolic dysregulation in normal weight American adults. Nutr Diab, 5(5), e155.

Aditi bhansali (talk) 12:01, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi I'am looking to edit this page and will be drawing information from the following references.

Bouchard, C. (1993). Genetic and nongenetic determinants of regional fat distribution. Endocrine Reviews, 14(1), 72-93. Kirchengast, S., & Huber, J. (2004). Body composition characteristics and fat distribution patterns in young infertile women. Fertility And Sterility, 81(3), 539-544. Okura, T., Koda, M., Ando, F., Niino, N., Ohta, S., & Shimokata, H. (2003). Association of polymorphisms in the estrogen receptor α gene with body fat distribution. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord, 27(9), 1020-1027. SINGH, D., & ZAMBARANO, R. J.. (1997). Offspring Sex Ratio in Women with Android Body Fat Distribution. Human Biology, 69(4), 545–556.Psunds1993 (talk) 12:05, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Peer Review
I will focus on the Health Consequences section:

This section nicely covers both cardiac problems and alternative problems linked with obesity. I would suggest moving the paragraph starting 'high levels of android fat have been associated with obesity' above the paragraph starting 'women who are infertile'. This would mean that your (great) link to anorexia isn't so out of the blue.

The link to offspring is really interesting, but may not fit into this health section. This point has the potential be expanded on and moved to a different section all together. Within this section, you could focus on factors that influence you android fat levels (e.g. maternal age ).

You've covered a great amount of studies here, but you could work on linking them together a little bit more. In the case of your two insulin points this could really easily be changed by saying '...as well as both an increased resistance to, and insensitivity to, insulin in obese children and adolescents'. This would enable your points to be seen as really strong by your reader and create a clearer structure.

Additionally, to allow for readers to check phrases they may not fully understand, or may want to read up on (e.g. cardiovascular disease) adding a few extra links to external pages would really enhance your article.

Lastly, having read your section, I was wondering whether there would be an influence of android fat on mental health? from a quick google search I came across this reference:. This may be an interesting start for a new subheading under the health consequences section. This would also allow you to extensively cover both the phsycial and psychological consequences of android fat distribtuion.

Overall, I think this is a great start to the section with only a few minor tweaks necessary to make is read really nicely!

Psuncv (talk) 16:42, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

copy editing changes
I made some changes to a sentence in your introduction.

First version

However, it has been found that with age as they carry more babies and approach the menopause. This distribution shifts towards the android pattern of fat distribution [1] and resulted in an increase to 42.1% of android body fat distribution in postmenstrual women

Edited version However, it has been found that as females age, bear children and approach menopause, this distribution shifts towards the android pattern of fat distribution [1]resulting in a 42.1% increase in android body fat distribution in postmenstrual women.[2]

I added the correct punctuation where appropriate (removed the full stop and added a comma after the word menopause) and re-arranged the wording of the last sentence  about the % of android fat that increases in postmenstrual women. I felt that it sounds clear. OluGW (talk) 00:37, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer review
I will try to not repeat the points that have been made by others but I will make suggestions that had initially come to mind when I read the article. This page is very informative and so far, I would say it is very developed. Your introduction is good as with the rest of the article. However, perhaps a published definition/description to accompany your own description would be even better. I like the range of subsections you have chosen to write about relating to AFD. The hyperlinks you have added are also appropriate and provide readers a chance to familiarize themselves (find out the term's meaning) with a word which should make it easier to follow and comprehend your article. By appropriate, I mean it appears as if you have strategically placed hyperlinks where necessary(specifically at terms of low word frequency that the lay person may not be familiar with). I have come across several Wikipedia pages that add hyperlinks for ANY words, just for the sake of it, which is not very impressive if I must say.

You also have a great range of reliable sources to support the information you have provided your readers with. I would perhaps suggest including photos for illustrative purposes to help readers visualize what these different distribution patterns actually look like. Other than that, the page looks good so far :) Good luck! OluGW (talk) 02:27, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Peer review
Overall, the page is well balanced and informative, and a good 'sister' page to Gynoid fat distribution. As both are related, it is good to see references to the other page in both. The section of cultural differences is definitely an interesting addition, offering a different perspective one might not have thought of as having an effect. As most things have already been mentioned above, there is something minor I have noticed: Perhaps the 'Waist-to-hip' ratio would be better suited as a sub-section of 'Health Consequences' seeing as most of the material in there, from 'Central obesity...' to '...help of MRI and CT scan' involves health.

I also linked the Wikipedia page of 'Liposuction' to that section and changed some sentence structures and minor grammatical errors; these are all minor edits however.

Lilli4nch (talk) 16:39, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

edits/MEDRS
tagged one particular section,(which I could get to latter)...--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 18:22, 23 July 2016 (UTC)