Talk:Angel: After the Fall

Horrible
This article, as a whole, is horribly written. Some parts refer to the entire run, where others only refer to "After the Fall." Without proper delineation, it's bordering on nonsensical.76.122.248.86 (talk) 00:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Illyria
What happened to her? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.120.93.246 (talk) 14:33, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See issue 2. --81.129.139.56 (talk) 00:27, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Betta George
I'm not sure that the inclusion of Betta George in After the Fall really canonizes Asylum and Shadow Puppets. Sure, it means Whedon liked the character, but does that necessarily mean the other stories in which he's appeared are now canon? --Jeff-El 14:59, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

no his previous stories he has been aren't canon. think of it like angel, he's in canon and non canon material —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.46.103.78 (talk) 23:06, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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plots of issues
where do you guys want to put the plot of each issue..do you want to make a page labled "List of After the Fall issues", because I think that would work best. what do you think? Smartjoe299 —Preceding comment was added at 21:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think a table on this page like at Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eight is a clear way of presenting the plot. Oh and, general request to all editors, can we please keep plot detail to a minimum?  Let's not let it get out of hand like at The Long Way Home (Buffy comic), brief summaries of issues is all that's needed, Wikipedia isn't a substitute for reading the book.     Paul    730  22:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Ryan 1711- "The Long Way Home" was a 4-parter, which means the plot synopsis was spanning four issues, not one as insinuiated by you here. Interestingly, I made this comment before and it was deleted..strange.

Also, it isn't a book...it is a comic. If you aren't sure of the difference I recommend these articles to you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic.

Though I suspect these webpages would be more appropriate for you: http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book

-Ryan1711 (Sorry, Do not have an account) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.156.109.36 (talk • contribs)


 * First of all, I didn't insinuate The Long Way Home (Buffy comic) was one issue, and second of all it doesn't matter; the plot section at is still way too long.  I'm pretty sure we can condense the plot of a four-issue comic to somewhere under twenty-something paragraphs and still get the gist.  See WP:PLOT.  Oh, and since you're so kind as to explain to me the difference between a book and a comic, I should probably take the time to tell you that a comic is a type of book.  It actually says that quite clearly on the book article you linked, what a shame you didn't take the time to read it yourself before lecturing me on it.  Nevertheless, your unnecessary hostility is appreciated.  What does this have to do with the Angel: After the Fall article again?     Paul    730  04:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ryan, intentional rudeness is considered an offence. Just because you don't agree with an editor, you do not attack them personally. See Civility.~ZytheTalk to me! 10:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Please show me where I made a personal attack of intentional rudness, I am unable to recognise one, even after reviewing my comment. Conversely, I thought I was being polite. I was polite enough to not only explain the differences between a book and a comic, but even linked him to appropriate articles to further reinforce his understanding.

I even went the extra step and provided Simple English wikipedia articles, as I was compassionate enough to notice that somebody who believes "comic" and "book" to be synonymous may not have the appropriate grasp of the English Language to read and thoroughly understand the original articles I provided links to.

Consequently, I am stumped as to where I made a personal insult. Perhaps you could point it out to me? -Ryan1711 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.155.84.153 (talk) 18:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Please do not persist in being a massive jerk.~ZytheTalk to me! 20:42, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Zythe, intentional rudeness (calling one a "jerk") is considered an offence. Just because you don't agree with an editor, you do not attack them (e.g with the "jerk" insult) personally. See Wikipedia:Civility. -Ryan1711 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.4.191 (talk) 14:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ryan1711, you're not fooling anyone. Playing dumb and acting condescendingly is not helpful. Jclemens (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

This will most likely be my last comment here(if not all of Wikipedia), as I have began to feel increasingly frustrated, mildly insulted and even a little angry at the treatment I have been subjected to upon this discussion page. Despite conducting myself politely, (I even re-checked my comments after reading the "Wikipedia Civility" to make sure my comments weren't in breach of policy (they weren't)), I have been out-right insulted and a victim of unsupported accusations.

I must thank user Paul730 for his conduct, as despite evidently disagreeing with me, he was polite enough to remain civil (something others have failed to do). From an objective perspective, I entered this discussion, expressed my views on the issue summary concern, provided helpful links to fellow contributors, asked harmless and polite questions...and recieved out-right abuse to it.

Also, as one who suffers from various social-interaction disorders, I find being labelled "dumb" highly insulting and distressing (though I do not intend to press for further action regarding these intolerant attitudes). Unfortunately, for these reasons I feel I will be unable to continue contributing here, and will restrict my vists to Wikipedia to article pages only.

-Ryan1711 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.149.4.191 (talk) 17:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Following up to your user page. Jclemens (talk) 18:17, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

The Timeline of the story.
I know there isnt a specified time frame of when the events of after the fall take place, but I think it could be safe to say it takes place roughly around Buffy season 8 comics. The reason I say this is because during one of the issues of after the fall, Connor asks Angel where hes been, to which he replies he has been immobilized for a couple months, which is shown in another issue that Angel broke his legs jumping off a building not realizing he was human yet. So if Not Fade Away and First Night was shortly after the end of Buffy Season 7, isnt it plausible that After The Fall takes place around the same time as season 8? (66.246.196.43 (talk) 03:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC))
 * Find an authoritative source for a citation, and let's include it, by all means. However, speculation would be original research. Jclemens (talk) 04:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Joss says that Buffy S8 begins after the events of "Not Fade Away" (Angel's TV Finale). And Angel jumped off the building immediately after "Not Fade Away." So I guess you're right, they're both going on somewhere between 2006 & present day. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 160.36.94.244 (talk) 05:43, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

TPB
has anyone got the dates for the tpbs? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.150.117.146 (talk) 23:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

The first one (hardcover) came out yesterday 7/16/08. --DarthUltima (talk) 16:42, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

In-jokes
Did anyone notice the allusions to Valentine (Boreanaz), House on Haunted Hill (Marsters), Good Burger (J. August Richards), First Knight (Denisof), The Indian in the Cupboard (Vincent Kartheiser) and Catch Me if You Can (Acker) in #8? Very nice!~ZytheTalk to me! 16:06, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

There are 15 issues now!
Just a heads up to people here. ATF is now going to be 16 issues instead of the original 12 issues. Proof? Issue #13 already has cover art (the green one with Wesley holding the W&H business card by Nick Runge).

It was originally said by Brian Lynch that it would be 12 issues, but that number has now increased to at least 15 and with the Spike prequel, the number is now at 19 issues altogether.

here's a link to an IDW subscription mentioning issue #15: http://store.idwpublishing.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_27_112&products_id=1232

76.196.238.127 (talk) 08:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)NileQT87

Issue #14
You seriously expect people to believe that issue #14 is coming out on Sunday November 30th? --The Virginian (talk) 18:55, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Should we consider a title change?
Since Angel: AtF is over, Armstrong is starting with her new series and there are gonna be more issues afterwards, should the title be changed to a more inclusive one (e. g. Angel: Season 6, Angel: After the Series, Angel: Continuation)? - Pau
 * The name we should use is the one most English-speakers would recognize. For now, that is After the Fall, as there hasn't even been an issue of Aftermath. Perhaps in the future it should be moved to Angel: After the Fall and Aftermath with redirects, per WP:NAME. Jomasecu talk contribs 02:23, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * This is a very good issue to be discussing. It seems even now that the series has turned into an ongoing, and will continue even after Aftermath, with a Gunn one-shot and a Dru two-parter. I think this whole article needs to be done over so that we're referring to the comics as a series rather than After the Fall as a mini. I imagine that people will continue to call the continuation collectively After the Fall, even though it has finished now, but we need to reword some of the earlier sections of the page so that it's not exclusively about After the Fall, but more about the ongoing series as a whole. 124.180.229.53 (talk) 07:12, 24 February 2009 (UTC)


 * After the Fall was a distinct (canonical) maxiseries. IDW's ongoing Angel series is a non-canonical spin-off of After the Fall which retains its numbering (to lend it credibility).~ZytheTalk to me! 12:50, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Volumes list.
I think the page requires a section for the combined volumes, what comics they include. For example the Spike series against the main series, the orders ect. Govvy (talk) 20:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)


 * In the Collected editions section is lists
 * 432pp Angel: After the Fall – Premiere Edition as a collection of issues #1–17
 * but
 * 144pp volume 1 (#1–5),
 * 104pp volume 2 (#6–8),
 * [ http://www.amazon.com/Angel-After-Fall-Vol-3/dp/1600103774/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1308751135&sr=1-1 192pp] volume 3 (#9–12),
 * 132pp volume 4 (#13–17), has a total of
 * 572pp.
 * How can the premiere collection have 140 fewer pages? Does it have larger pages with the panels reformatted to fit them, or does it not actually contain issues #1-17? -- Jeandré, 2011-06-22t14:10z
 * The premiere edition is rather large and the plot summary for issue 17 certainly fits the end of the premier edition. I don't have the standalone volumes to compare with, but it certainly could have been reformatted. Jagged Tooth (talk) 06:02, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Does it sneakily omit issues 9-12 ("First Night")?Zythe (talk) 13:30, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, seem to have all of them as well. Jagged Tooth (talk) 17:02, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

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