Talk:Angelina Jolie/Archive 1

Funeral Director?
Did she really dream of becomming a funeral director? I looked in the history, but it wasn't vandalism, it looked like a valid edit. Growing up with actors as parents, you'd think she'd want to be an actress. And then she attended a theater school when she was 11--not exactly the best training to become a funeral director. Whhat is the source of this factoid?

If it's valid, we should insert why she wanted to be a funeral director. Otherwise, it sounds bogus (like it does now). &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 17:47, Sep 24, 2004 (UTC)
 * It seems so. I've read this rumour on many places. Can't be sure though, but I wouldn't be surprised because Angelina is a bit odd, I mean, she's not exactly the girl next door if you know what I mean.
 * EliasAlucard Talk 16:14, Apr 13, 2005 (UTC)
 * I've read this in an interview with her. It was something that came out during her "goth" phase around the time she won the Oscar. Can't remember exactly where I read it. 23skidoo 00:35, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've heard her say that too. Can't remember where, some arbitrary interview. Like what skidoo said, it might have been something she just "said" during her goth phase, but she definately did claim that as a child she wanted to be a funeral director. Poisonouslizzie 00:39, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Angeloonie 16:44, 20 December 2005 (UTC)she also wanted to be a ballet dancer :)

Hi, I'm Jake. I'm not a registered user, but I thought I would try to help you guys out on this topic. She mentions it in a July 5, 2001 Rolling Stone cover story, even showing her test booklet to the interviewer. The cover of the magazine showed Jolie lying in green grass with her abdominal cross tattoo mostly visible. So, yeah, is it true that she wanted to be a funeral director. Here's the link to the story in Rolling Stone's online archive: http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/_/id/5938014 Hope that helps.
 * Good work. I've added the link. Incidentally you don't have to be a registered user to add information to articles, though it's easy to sign up so you can have access to other features. 23skidoo 14:28, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

(Jake again) Thanks for letting me know that 23skidoo. I have to admit that I'm finding Wikipedia rather addicting and validating! There is something very powerful in being able to add to this incredible public resource and see what you've done instantly.
 * Nice job Jake! You should register an account if you plan to start any new articles btw, as of last month only registered users can do that. But registering is quick and simple.  Thanks again, --Naha|(talk) 15:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

tattoo
I found a pic of the tattoo in question, i looked it up at babelfish and, so far as i can tell this is Japanese not Chinese. Actually the chariters were the same but there was a second chariter for chinese (traditional or simplified). If someone who reads chinese agrees that this is death in chinese as well, please change to Japanese Kanji/Chinese. Cavebear42 22:33, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * I found a person who can read both Chinese and Japanese to confirm that this is the same chariter and acceptable in both. Cavebear42 23:35, 25 Oct 2004 (UTC)
 * OK, but is it the same character in both traditional and simplified chinese?
 * previous statement by 213.112.113.111
 * Please sign your comments with ~ to help us make this more readable.
 * Yes, its the same in both traditional and simplified chinese as well as japanese Cavebear42 04:19, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Just a minor observation: The article states her new tattoo ("N11° 33' etc.) represents "the locations where she adopted" her children. Since Jolie hasn't commented on it, this is total speculation; the tattoo could also represent their birth locations for example. It think it should be rephrased. -- EnemyOfTheState 01:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

quotes
I have removed the quotes because 1. the quote given was not cited. 2. the better place for quotes would be wikiquote. 3. the link cited was likely the source of the quote and its copyright did not allow us to copy them. 4. wikipedia is not a collection of links. The best thing to do would be to find a public domain source of quotes, create a wikiquote article with them, and then come back and link the wikiquote article from here. If you could do that, I would love it because I, personally, love some of the things she says. Cavebear42 20:09, 8 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I agree. The Chinese simplified and traditional character. It's pronounce si(third tone) in mandarin Chinese.

picture
maybe we can get a better picture here.
 * above comment by68.211.13.124
 * please sign your comments with ~ to help us make this more readable.
 * we ahve tried to find a better pic that could be released under a public domain or free licence but have not yet cam up with one. in the case that you have one, please go ahead and put it up. Cavebear42 22:31, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * This is what fair use is for. --Sn0wflake 05:36, 13 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * Not really. fair use is for "the Progress of Science and useful Arts".  And in order to claim fair use "... one must demonstrate how it either advances knowledge or the progress of the arts through the addition of something new."  While we are able to claim that we are adding something new to the world by working on this project, we must tread lightly on this matter.  Using a picture because she looks much sexier in it surely has no interest in furthering science.  If there was no possible way to find a pic that was free, then we might have a claim to fair use.  That aside, I try to consider the spirit of this project as furthering the end goal.  For instance, while the Wikipedia is obviously not 100% factual, more good editors than bad means that we are approaching truth all the time.  In the same way by replacing fair use pictures with PD pics and by replacing PD pics with freely licensed pics, we are approaching a freely licensed encyclopedia. Cavebear42 23:01, 15 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * It is for a nonprofit cause, though. Wikipedia is simply displaying the picture, not charging money for people to see it. It is equivalent to hanging the picture on one's wall.&rarr; Jarlaxle Artemis   23:59, 22 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * fair use does not mean that non-profit orgs can use whatever they want it means that you can use it to further science and useful arts. not wanting to get off topic but, while you would prob get away with hanging a picture on your wall, that does not make it legal to do so and you are surely not protected by the fair use clause, esp when your "wall" is visable to the entire world over the internet. Cavebear42 05:44, 23 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Page has been restored to a photo that is not copy vio (cburnett put it back to this photo and i reverted that photo to one that was legal.) if you click on that link at the bottom of the edit page, Project:Copyrights, you will see that It is our goal to be able to freely redistribute as much of Wikipedia's material as possible, so original images and sound files licensed under the GFDL or in the public domain are greatly preferred to copyrighted media files used under fair use.  Also, i don't belive that fair use applys here. for these reasons (and that the pic was never properly cited) I ask that we quit changeing this pic until we find one of equal or greater freeness. Cavebear42 19:37, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)
 * I notice a new picture has been added from a movie premiere. That one's much better. I think a better UN-related shot of her is available, too. 23skidoo 00:36, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

kudo's on new pic Cavebear42 17:41, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I dunno. It looks like she has a black eye to me. I think a better image can be found by making a fair use screen capture from one of her movies. I'm willing to go through the effort. Alternately, the cover of her book could be used.23skidoo 22:20, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The current picture is a bit too overtly sexual in my opinion. The point of it is clearly to make her look sexy, which is fine in some contexts of course but we are trying to present a serious encyclopaedia article about a serious actress. Maybe we could have that picture further down the page (alongside the FHM material), but the top one really ought to be something more sober I feel. Agentsoo 01:54, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Why not swap it for the perfectly fine premiere photo at the bottom? 23skidoo 02:29, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and made the switch. I think a headshot is a better choice for lead image anyway because you get a better look at the person, as opposed to a full- or partial-body shot as was the case with the magazine cover. 23skidoo 05:24, 1 August 2005 (UTC)