Talk:Anne Salmond

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External links extravaganza
There was an excessive number of external links with this. I've moved most of them to here. Some of the stuff could be used as inline references; please strike out items that you've used.  Schwede 66  04:05, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Interviews
 * Anne Salmond interview with Alan Macfarlane, 19 November 2004
 * Anne Salmond Interview with Kim Hill, Radio New Zealand National, 29 July 2012
 * at World Class New Zealand Awards August 2011
 * Waitangi Day interview, 6 February 2013 on Radio New Zealand National

Speeches
 * Speech to Distinguished Alumni, University of Auckland, June 2011
 * Sir Paul Reeves Memorial Lecture 2012, New Zealand Herald
 * The Rutherford Lectures 2014, on Radio New Zealand National

Articles
 * We Could Do with a Change of Heart: Anne Salmond, New Zealand Herald, October 2011
 * Separating Free Market Wolves from the Lambs: Anne Salmond, New Zealand Herald, February 2013

Environment
 * Longbush Reserve website
 * Anne Salmond Sanderson Memorial Lecture, Wellington, June 2012
 * Dame Anne Salmond: Champion for consensus, New Zealand Herald, 11 August 2012
 * Anne Salmond: Lifeblood of the land should not be alienated, New Zealand Herald, 10 September 2012
 * Anne Salmond: Let's look after our beautiful land, New Zealand Herald, 8 February 2013

Floating quoted text
Hi folks, just a respectful observation about the inline quote in the article (below). I can't actually see a direct link to the source that is cited, so that is problematic. (I may have missed something on the reference and please feel free to point this out if it is the case.) Now, there are some good ideas in the quote that could be reworded with references, or equally, summarised for the lede? What do others think? I don't reckon it can stand in its current form but won't do anything at the moment.

''"Dame Anne has a long-standing engagement with environmental issues, beginning with her work on the Parks and Wilderness Trust from 1990. After founding the Longbush Ecosanctuary in 2000 with her husband Jeremy, she has become the patron of a number of environmental organisations, and speaks and writes widely about environmental challenges. In this work, she seeks to bring together Maori and Pacific philosophies about relations between people, land, rivers and the ocean with practical restoration work and cutting edge science.  She is the Patron of Te Awaroa: 1000 Rivers, a project that aims to restore waterways across New Zealand." ''

Please free to jump into this discussion. It is all about making this important article better and I know a lot of experienced and wise editors have done work here before. Realitylink (talk) 03:16, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Ok, so I have straightened that section out a little bit - mostly removed the full quotation marks for all the text and added some more citations. It has sort of become a mini-unlabeled section with a focus on her response to environmental issues. This may be a good place to add more relevant info on this topic at some stage? Anyway, here is how it looks now: Realitylink (talk) 20:39, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

''Salmond speaks and writes widely on environmental challenges, seeking to build understandings of different cultural beliefs about the relationship between people, land, rivers and the ocean. She was elected Deputy Chair of the Parks and Wilderness Trust in 1990, and in 2000, with her husband Jeremy, initiated the restoration of what would become the Waikereru Ecosanctuary near Gisborne. She has been involved in a number of environmental organisations and is the 'Patron of Te Awaroa: 1000 Rivers', a project that aims to "restore 1000 [New Zealand] rivers by 2050." ''

Possible new section in the article
What is the thinking around another section in this article that allows for Salmond's positions on issues? There are some allusions to her interest in the environment and obviously, her writing is very culturally relevant - certainly worth considering in the light of recent developments around Government policy. This is why I think a section called: Public policy postions might work. She has been active in a range of forum and media outlets recently and while I understand that some of these might not strictly speaking be secondary sources (blogs, opinion pieces for example), I feel that when a person of her mana publically says or does something not directly to promoting herself but which is based on her experiences and previous writing, then it should be considered.

I quickly gathered a few sources that might be useful in such a section:


 * No downside in standing tall, together. (2020) Her follow up on Stuff's apology for their inequitable treatment of Māori and tikanga Māori in the media that looks at historical documents and oral histories about the Treaty of Waitangi that could indicate an agreed sharing of power. She says in the article: "This is where Stuff’s recent apology for the inequitable treatment of Māori and tikanga Māori by Stuff and its media predecessors is so powerful. Stuff, now owned and run by New Zealanders, is taking up these agreements, and working out what they mean for contemporary journalistic practice in Aotearoa."


 * One Strange People, And Another: Dame Anne Salmond on Tears of Rangi (2017). Salmond talking to David Hall about her book Tears of Rangi that amongst other things, unpacks a view that could see common ground between matauranga Maori and science, concluding: "The people who don't want to deal with the climate, they're also the people who want to close down the humanities and the social sciences. It's not handy to have people who are looking at those things closely and with a critical eye, because it interferes with power projects."


 * Was James Cook a white supremacist? (2019). A challenging opinion piece in stuff by Salmond that presents its own 'evidence.' Unsurprisingly, it prompted a response: James Cook and White Supremacy, by Lorena Gibson, Catherine Trundle, and Tarapuhi Vaeau, with a response from Salmond:James Cook and White Supremacy: A Comment, by Professor Dame Anne Salmond. Obviously, we don't want this to be a slanging match on Wikipedia, but there may be some ideas to unpack here?


 * Anne Salmond: Racist underbelly seethes beneath surface (2021) A strong opinion piece...the challenge would be to deal with the content in a neutral way...


 * When Worlds Collide. She talks about a lot of influences in her life, for example the Stirlings.


 * Dame Anne Salmond: Keep our wealth flowing (2014) She writes in the opinion piece: "In New Zealand, a robust analysis of the contribution made by rivers, aquifers, harbours and the ocean - the blue economy - to our national accounts is needed urgently. I think the results would convince even the most died-in-the-wool sceptic that degrading or destroying our rivers, aquifers and harbours is the act of a masochist or fool."


 * *Dame Anne Salmond: Iwi vs Kiwi


 * Anne Salmond: He Puapua and a forgotten promise

Ok, so I am sure you get the drift of this. She has lots of other stuff in the media about the environment - possibly more based on science - which I will try and track down later. This approach to a new section is problematic - what do others think, should we do it?

I won't add anything to the current article at this point as I think it needs to be carefully considered by a range of editors first.

(talk) 05:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


 * Sounds good to me. Chances are you won’t get much feedback on this talk page, but once you edit the article others will let you know what they think.  Schwede 66  18:48, 15 July 2021 (UTC)


 * I will have a think about it and let the idea settle a bit. I reckon there is a way to do this so that it continues to tell her story; just not sure how many of the opinion pieces I could use? What is your thinking about this?  Seems to me that it is ok from such a notable person - surely she is not being self-promotional and more just stating a position.  Realitylink (talk) 22:05, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
 * You would want to write this so that it does not overpower the rest of the article. Keep things in balance and it’ll be fine.  Schwede 66  01:56, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Very prudent advice, thanks. Realitylink (talk) 04:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

''Right, here is information that could be added to the article - not as a named section. Some of it is a bit controversial; I would be interested in and guided by informed feedback as to whether or not it goes into the article. It may overwhelm the rest of the article, or add updated contextual information around her work? It may be more than 'cultural interactions' she comments on - that may not even be the best terminology. Input and suggestions welcomed. '' Realitylink (talk) 04:41, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

Draft information:

Salmond has frequently commented about cultural interactions in New Zealand. In an opinion piece in the Otago Daily Times, she stated that "white supremacy is a black strand woven through our history as a nation", but that at the time of early arrivals to Aotearoa there were "ideas of justice and kindness, equality and mutual respect...[that]...have provided a counterpoint to greed and colonial ambition." She later re-examined the narrative around the landing of Captain Cook in New Zealand in October 1769 and noted that there were clearly casualties inflicted on local Maori that could have been avoided. In the same piece, Salmond unpacked the evidence she believed showed that Cook was not a "white supremacist, contemptuous of Māori and willing to kill them at random." This conclusion was challenged by academics who said that her approach had been to be more "frugal with the concept of white supremacy", rather than using it as an analytical framework for "understanding colonialism...and the part that individuals play in perpetrating that system." Salmond responded and questioned the point that the Doctrine of Discovery was uncontested at the time and that prior to leaving, instructions were given to Cook by the Earl of Morton to show respect to the "Natives of several lands where the Ship may touch...[and]...no European Nation has a right to occupy any part of their country or settle among them without their voluntary consent." He was also given another set of secret orders from the Lords of the Admiralty that clearly said while he was to be civil to peoples he encountered, he was also, "with the consent of the natives, to take possession of convenient situations in the country in the name of the King of Great Britain." Salmond noted that in his journal, Cook admitted to an "error of judgement."

Salmond was optimistic in December 2020 that a worldview for New Zealand based on key concepts such as aroha and kaitiakitanga, could build relationships not just between people, but also with the living world. In 2020, when the New Zealand media outlet Stuff apologised for its inequitable treatment of Māori and tikanga Māori, Salmond made the case that under the Treaty of Waitangi, this was "living up to the Queen's promise of equality and mutual respect for different tikanga, and weaving these together in ways that benefit all New Zealanders."