Talk:Antananarivo

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Why was "the" University of Madagascar lower cased? IFAIAC, it should be "The". -- Zoe

I find this to be one of the best city names the world has to offer. Brutannica 00:06, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Who has put the IPA pronounciation at the beginning of the article? Obviously someone with no knowledge of the place - it is pronounced with the first and last vowels silent (like so many Madagascan places). In other words exactly as it used to be spelt. I am changing it.--AssegaiAli (talk) 18:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I would like to upload an audio file so that users can to listen to the pronunciation. On the English version of Wikipedia, is it acceptable to put the English pronuciation of a city in another country? Would you agree that this is the correct pronuciation in English? http://media.merriam-webster.com/soundc11/a/antan01g LHand 13:20, 7 December 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lhand27 (talk • contribs)

Lac
I looked at Antananarivo using the Google Earth program, and my impression was that it is by a lake. I will verify this and if necessary, edit this article to reflect the fact that it is on or near a sizeable lake.--Colin

There is a lake inside the city. I saw a painting from 100 years ago and it shows the lake being outside the city, but nowadays it is part of the city centre.

Incomplete article
The article makes no mention of the issues of colonization and its aftermath. The French colonization is described as beneficial : good roads, lovely places... But the reality isn't so nice. In 1947, after an insurrection of local inhabitatants, the French authorities killed thousands of people. It should be mentioned. -Anon.

While we are at it, mention the regime the French replaced; three quarters of a million people slaughtered in the early 19th century out of a population of about 2 and a quarter million - a lot of them tortured to death. And there is more. The main (or at least, one)issue of colonization is the issue of savagery vs. civilization.

An accessible account of what went on in pre-modern Madagascar is found in the second half of the well-researched historical novel "Flashman's Lady" by Geo. MacDonald Fraser, along with all the historical sources drawn on for the account, for further study (if you can stand it).

More to the point of this article, there is also a detailed description of Antananarivo. I think this article should tell us: what happened to the little palace of silver bells in the center of town where the mad queen lived and ruled her superstitious and terrified subjects? Is that it on the right of the great palace shown it the photograph? 76.2.154.213 (talk) 05:08, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * "Flashman's Lady" is not a valid resource for an objective discussion of the history of Madagascar because it draws on biased primary sources written by Malagasy Christians, missionaries and other Europeans but omits the views of the sampy guardians and the objective modern historians who have analyzed the whole situation in context. This is the case for most of the "popular history" on Madagascar out there (among the worst being Laidler's "Female Caligula: Ranavalona, Mad Queen of Madagascar" and the irresponsibly slanted history section of the "Lonely Planet Guide to Madagascar", which both sensationalize the reign of Ranavalona I). Balanced accounts are available in books like Ade Ajayi's "History of Africa," famed Madagascar historian Gwyn Campbell's "Economic History of Imperial Madagascar" and, most recently, "Madagascar: a short history" by Solofo Randrianja & Stephen Ellis. I can't agree that the expansion of the section on Malagasy history and colonization would reveal anything about "savagery vs civilization." There was savagery and civilization on both sides of the colonial divide. This article needs a lot of work, including particularly the history section, and there's much to be done to expand coverage of the people of Madagascar and their culture, history and modern state here on Wikipedia. I'm working on filling that gap and intend to do a copy-edit in the near future to improve all sections of this piece.
 * PS: Do your sources talk about what happened to the silver bells in the Tranovola (whose existence is disputed by the way)? One of the sources I read simply stated they were gradually "lost" over the first two years after the palace was built (most likely sold), although the primary sources are in disagreement about why the Tranovola got its name of "Silver Palace", many stating it was due to one or many silver nails used in its construction (according to them, there were no bells at all). A more meaningful discussion could be how and why the architectural style of the Tranovola emerged and what changes it (and later European-constructed buildings) inspired in architecture across Madagascar: history, not sensationalism. -- Lemurbaby (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Good response Shii (tock) 06:54, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

Malagasy Scouting
Can someone render "Be Prepared", the Scout Motto, into Malagasy? Thanks! Chris 09:18, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Antananarivo
they also are known for what they do and how well they actaully do the job —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.10.106.4 (talk) 18:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Who? What? How? 76.191.135.66 (talk) 01:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation
The pronunciation given seems more like the pronunciation of the French name than the Malagasy name. I don't know Malagasy orthography, but I wouldn't think it could be worse than the French one... Jon Harald Søby (talk) 10:47, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

the dismemberment plan gets rich.
I only know of this city because it's mentioned in the song The Dismemberment Plan Gets Rich. That is all. riffic (talk) 15:16, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Reference for article rewrite
I'm prioritizing this article and hope to have it complete and at FA sometime in 2014. References below.Lemurbaby (talk) 02:16, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
 * this book gives an overview of the history of Tana. Lemurbaby (talk) 17:23, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * growth, commercial space and markets
 * complete history of Tana to 2007
 * great summary of colonial period in Tana

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Bibliographic suggestions by Didier Nativel

 * C. Fournet-Guérin, Vivre à Tananarive. Géographie du changement dans la capitale malgache, Paris, Karthala, 2007, 427 p.
 * D. Nativel, « Architecture et métissage culturel en Imerina au XIXe siècle » in Annuaire des Pays de l’Océan Indien, Vol. XVII, 2003, p. 193-207.
 * D. Nativel, Maisons royales, Demeures des Grands. L'inscription de la réussite sociale dans l'espace urbain de Tananarive au XIXe siècle, Paris, Karthala, 2005, 377 p.
 * D. Nativel, « À chacun selon ses moyens. Pratiques d'appropriation et construction de modes de vie citadins à Tananarive au XIXe siècle », in Afrique & histoire 1/2006 (vol. 5), p. 47-64.
 * D. Nativel, « Le Zoma de Tananarive durant l’époque coloniale (fin XIXe siècle - années 1960) » in F. Rajaonah, D. Bois (dir.), Marchés urbains de Madagascar, XIXe-XXe siècles. Antananarivo, Antsirabe, Antsiranana, Paris, L’Harmattan, 2007, p. 29-66.
 * F. Raison-Jourde, « Modes étrangères et fastes urbains dans l’Ouest de l’océan Indien, 1820-1914 », in Recherche Pédagogie et Culture, n°67, Juillet-août, 1984, p. 41-46.
 * F. Raison-Jourde, Bible et pouvoir à Madagascar au XIXe siècle. Invention d'une identité chrétienne et construction de l'Etat, Paris, Karthala, 1991, 834 p.
 * F. Rajaonah (Esoavelomandroso), « Discours colonial et transformations de l’’espace urbain : Tananarive dans l’entre-deux-guerres », in Cahiers du CRA n°7, 1989, p. 83-106.
 * F. Rajaonah (Esoavelomandroso), Elites et notables à Antananarivo dans la première moitié du XXe siècle, Thèse d'État, Lyon II, 1997, 1080 p.
 * H. Rajaonarison, «L'essor de la photographie de studio à Antananarivo dans les années 1930», in Etudes Océan Indien n°44, 2010, p. 99-120.
 * H. Rajaonarison, « Images de fêtes à Antananarivo (1958-1960). Quels sont les temps forts de l’indépendance pour les Malgaches ? », in O. Goerg, J-L. Martineau, D. Nativel, Les indépendances en Afrique. L’événement et ses mémoires 1957/1960-2010, Rennes, PUR, 2013, p. 253-271.
 * J-R. Randrimaro, «Identité et métissages culturels chez les descendants d’esclaves de Tananarive dans les années 1960-1980», F. Rajaonah (dir.), Cultures citadines dans l’océan Indien occidental (XVIIIe-XXIe). Pluralisme, échanges, inventivité, Paris, Karthala, 2011, p. 243-258.

Recommendation collected during the ECAS workshop Workshop ECAS Basel 2017 - Literature and sources about African cities and open access. --Iopensa (talk) 14:14, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you. A link to these citations has been added to Timeline of Antananarivo. --- M2545 (talk) 12:03, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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