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United States section
It seems a little odd that the United States section doesn't mention the 1973 oil embargo at all, since a perception that "In 1973 the Arabs stabbed us in the back" was one of the strongest contributing factors to modern anti-Arabism in the United States (as opposed to remnants of lingering memories of Rudolf Valentino "sheik" movies, or whatever). AnonMoos (talk) 16:42, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Anti Arabism in the United State is integral to modern U.S. history

The 2015 Chattanooga shootings, committed by Arab American  Mohammad Abdulazziz, generated extensive media reporting and prompted more expression of anti-Arabism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick1425 (talk • contribs) 22:32, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

List of terrorist attacks
The list of terrorist attacks was shoe-horned into the article without anything close to enough context or sourcing. The sources were mostly just reports about the attacks, but the connection to anti-Arabism was not mentioned, making the egregious WP:SYNTH. Any section like this would need reliable sources commenting on the state of anti-Arabism in the US, not just coverage of the events themselves. This looks like an attempt to portray anti-Arabism as being justified, or at the very least this was good-faith WP:OR that spiraled way, way out of control. Even articles like this which actually talk about the U.S. reaction to terrorism do not clearly demonstrate a link with anti-Arabism. Using that article to support the claim that "U.S. political support for acceptance of Arab refugees has almost vanished." is editorializing, as the article only supports that Rick Snyder, Robert Bentley, and a few other conservatives oppose acceptance, while it points out that Clinton, Sanders, and Martin O'Mally support increases in refugee acceptance. Grayfell (talk) 02:18, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I am not American, but I would guess not that many Americans would be willing to support welcoming large numbers of refugees to their country. Judging from the various reactions to the European migrant crisis and its destabilizing effects, they would not be alone. Whether the refugees are Arabs or not, the numbers of these migrants are unexpectedly large. You don't have to be anti-Arab to be concerned. Dimadick (talk) 17:43, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

Anti-Arabism is integral to modern American presidential politics.

The 2015 Chattanooga shootings, committed by Arab American  Mohammad Abdulazziz, generated extensive media reporting and prompted more expression of anti-Arabism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Patrick1425 (talk • contribs) 22:34, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Poland

 * Quoting automatically translated Polish language texts is very controversial.
 * I'm Polish and I bet 99% of Poles don't know anything about Arabs, so their Anti-Arabism is rather anti-Islamism or general racism. The nationalists ignore sometimes even the diffence between the Jews and Arabs.
 * There is on average one racial beating a week reported in Poland - how many of them are anti-Arabic? 5%?
 * Arab men come to Poland, marry Polish women who convert to Islam and wear disgusting clothes. Next the women go to reality shows to tell how they were mistreated and run away with their children. Please explain to Arab men cultural differences before they come to Poland.

Xx236 (talk) 06:51, 12 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I've just gone WP:BOLD and removed the entire section on Poland created by beginning on 5 May to 7 May. The editor has not responded to any queries from other editors, is using Google translate for references, and doesn't actually appear to even understand Polish as the Google translations are garbled and implying something other to that which the articles actually state.


 * If a dedicated section to Poland is merited, it must firstly meet with being WP:RS and not be some sort of strange hodgepodge of WP:NOTNEWS, WP:RECENTISM and, frankly, a complete misunderstanding of what is being reported. If any editors feel that there is valid content about Poland for this article, they are welcome to discuss what the content is prior creating a dedicated section. --Iryna Harpy (talk) 04:29, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

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Orphaned references in Anti-Arabism
CAIR The Council on American Islamic Relations is not an Arab group. Most Arab Americans are Christians. Arab Americans advocate destruction of the State of Israel and fund Hezbollah terror. The most significant source of Hezbollah terror financing outside the Middle East is Dearborn, Michigan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.226.130 (talk) 05:31, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

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Reference named "ReferenceA": From Iran: А. Г. Булатова. Лакцы (XIX — нач. XX вв.). Историко-этнографические очерки. — Махачкала, 2000. From Persian people: R.G. Kent. Old Persian. Grammar, texts, lexicon. 2nd ed., New Haven, Conn. From Berbers: Histoire des Berbères et des dynasties musulmanes de l'Afrique Septentrionale De Ibn Khaldūn, William MacGuckin 

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Anti-Arabism in the United States
After the inauguration January 20, 2017, of United States President Donald Trump, Anti-Arabism has thrived in the United States. Note the Executive Order of January 27, 2017

Needs citation to the 2015 Chattanooga attack which targeted U.S. service members, perpetrated by the Arab American terrorist Muhammed Youssef Abdulazziz.

Needs references to President-elect Donald Trump, a prominent anti-Arabist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.229.207 (talk) 02:18, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

Arab Advocacy Organisations
Warren David was ousted as president of American Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee ADC several years ago due to sexual harassment against women who worked at ADC. Samer Khalaf became ADC president in 2013. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.226.15 (talk) 21:14, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

Anti-Arabism in Germany
Anti-Arabism--particularly against the North African Arabs whose bogus asylum claims have been denied by German authorities --is widespread and quite prominent. Anti-Arabism is central element of popular support for the AfD Alternative for Germany political party in 2017 federal elections.

Needs citation of December 2016 Berlin Christmas market attack, perpetrated by Tunisian Arab terrorist Anis Amri. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.222.217 (talk) 00:32, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

Ferdowsi
The sources that claim those verses are by Ferdowsi are very weak. Now, compare these sources to the ones that reject the claim, Touraj Daryaee, Franklin Lewis, David Menashri, etc. We can't blame Ferodwsi for verses he never composed. -- Mazandar (talk) 21:02, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * This is not even a source, this is just an online version of a very old an outdated edition of Shahnameh. As a primary source, can't be used in the article.
 * This one is a personal website, and it DOESN'T claim those verses are by Ferdowsi, actually it reject it, the title of that page is "verses that aren't by Ferdowsi".
 * This one is itself an Anti-Iranian, separatist, Pan-Arab website.
 * This is also just a local news website, there are a lot of such websites in every language.

Anti-Arabism in France
Anti-Arabism was an integral part of the successful campaign and political platform of Front National presidential candidate Marine Le Pen who won the the French presidential primary election on April 23, 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.225.149 (talk) 22:03, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Holy crap, someone from the future!  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 00:46, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

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Anti-Arabism is an integral part of United States history: [] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.229.170 (talk) 03:43, 14 November 2017 (UTC)

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"Berberism in Algeria is Anti-Arabism" What a load of bollocks.
The overwhelming majority of Maghrebi "arabs" in Morocco, Tunisia and Algeria, regardless of supposed origin or identity, are over 95% genetically BERBER. That is a scientific FACT, NOT "Anti-Arabism". In fact, within some parts of the Maghreb, the ratio of DNA in the local gene pool from Western Europeans is higher than the ratio from Arab Semites. The majority of this article, just like the page on "Islamophobia", is blatantly partisan in it's basis and structure, and is little more a dripping, smelly pan-arabist POV push.

GoldenEyes4000AD (talk) 20:59, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Anti-Palestine organized activity
There is a redirect, but it seems clear now that the organized Anti-Palestine activities are highly developed and increasingly sophisticated, including using botnets and high technology.

Anti-Palestine activity and methods are significant and differ from mainstream anti-Arabism, Islamophobia, etcetera, therefore a seperate article is suggested. Palestine is not the capital of United Arabia, and the unique circum-stance of Palestine (situation West of the Jordan river and Gaza Strip, refugee camps) merit an article on it`s own. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 126.161.162.205 (talk) 08:52, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Editor keeps removing reliably sourced content
By this, I mean User:יניב_הורון, who thinks he can remove content at his will because there's "no consensus", when Wikipedia tells us to be BOLD. if he wants to remove content from The Guardian and the New York Times, he's the one who needs to build consensus. Rafe87 (talk) 08:11, 11 May 2018 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of this article until now and I don't have the time to work on it soon. My initial reading of the Israel section is that it is missing most of the endless incitement against Arabs by Israeli politicians. Zerotalk 10:59, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
 * User:Icewhiz Anyone can say the sources are being misrepresented when they show something they don't want to be shown -- but can you demonstrate to me where have I engaged in this?Rafe87 (talk) 10:49, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Certainly:
 * Regarding Lehava - there has been significant Police action vs. them - include LEADER OF EXTREME RIGHT-WING ORGANIZATION ARRESTED FOR THREATENING ARABS a few months ago. While it is not surprising Haaretz (in the past) said not enough was done - other sources have taken a different light towards the level of enforcement here.
 * Saying "Gader Haya" has "been censored by upper echelons of the Israeli government" is a gross exaggeration. It was removed from a list of books approved for matriculation exams - that's it - no censorship. And as the author admits in the Guardian piece you link - "Rabinyan acknowledges – had its positive aspect. Sales of her novel have doubled since it became a cause célèbre in Israel’s culture wars in January 2016" - the author is laughing all the way to the bank (both in Hebrew book sales, and probably even more in translations). There was no censorship here. I'll further note that the source you are linking does not mention anti-Arabism - so connection this - is SYNTH. The problem some people may have had with the book is the promotion of inter-faith marriage - not specifically Arabs.
 * Abu Khdeir and use of anti-terror measures is off-topic. I'll note that home demolitions haven't been applied to Israeli Arabs as well - e.g. January 2016 Tel Aviv shooting perp's home wasn't demolished. You are linking to a random piece in which the family of the deceased are complaining about various things - with not clear connection to anti-Arabism - and in any case the family are not experts on the subject matter.Icewhiz (talk) 12:36, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Icewhiz This is a bunch of original research which is unfit to include on Wikipedia. 1) The affirmation that Israeli police is turning a blind eye to Lehava comes not from me but from Haaretz. 2) Many reliable sources - The Guardian, Salon etc. - have described what happened to "Gader Haya" as censorship. You probably know this, but when we edit an entry on Wikipedia, we have the duty to reflect what reliable sources argue instead of inserting our own personal thoughts. 3) The idea that the Abu Khdeir case is unrelated to anti-Arabism is laughable - even Israel itself calls the murder a "nationalistic crime". If the Abu Khdeir family have stated that Israel is racist against Arab Palestinians, this is newsworthy because the family itself is. And if prominent writers, such as William Saletan, argue that Israel is singling Palestinians out for home demolitions while sparing Jewish terrorists, this is also newsworthy. The case with the Israeli Arab terrorist you bring about is not relevant to Abu Khdeir, and what is more, including it to undermine Abu Khdeir's argument is Original Research.
 * To sum it up, you're accusing me of distorting references (thus failing to assume good faith), but in every single case it's you who are attacking their arguments by conducting original research — not me who's distorting them. You're allowed to think of Israel as highly as you want but you're not allowed to use your personal feelings to delete material that is properly referenced and reflects negatively on the rights of Israeli Arabs and Palestinians under Israel. Rafe87 (talk) 14:45, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

User:יניב_הורון's continuing deletion of material, and refusal to take part in the discussion on the Talk Page, is strongly suggestive that he's a bad faith editor who deletes properly sourced material for political reasons.Rafe87 (talk) 14:48, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * While some sources may have reflected some of what you wrote (without saying anti-Arabism one should note) - others have taken another line. Where is the source connecting Gader Haya to anti-Arabism (and to do that - you need an explicit use of the term or a close synonym)? And if we do add this - we need to add balancing information (e.g. that this actually significantly increased book sales - in the source you were using!). Abu Khdeir being a "nationalistic crime" does not mean it is necessarily "Anti-Arabism" - as the motivations may have been generally related to the Arab-Israeli conflict.Icewhiz (talk) 14:55, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Not "some", Ice -- EVERY SINGLE source I used, describe exactly what I wrote in the entry. And I don't see you proving otherwise. Just because you don't like what the authors wrote, doesn't mean I'm distorting their views. Please, don't forget to assume good faith -- and act in it. The idea that the sources need to use the word "anti-Arabism" in order to merit inclusion in the page (an argument you did not put forward before) has no basis on Wikipedian policy. "Anti-Arabism" is not a common word -- it is not used in many places even when anti-Arab discrimination is being discussed. If hatred and racism against Arabs is being described in a reliable source, then this is enough to consider its inclusion in this entry. After all, you don't need for "anti-Blackness" (another real but seldom used term) to appear in a source in order for it to deserve inclusion in entries describing racism against Black people. The exclusion of "Gader Haya" from the school curriculum, despite the cultural prominence and critical success of the book, has been described in reliable sources in the context of the Israeli government's hardening racism -- racism against Arabs, to be more specific. Therefore its ban, which was widely reported, is fit to be included in the entry. I'm sorry that this reflects negatively on the Netanyahu regime, but this is not grounds to exclude it from this entry. Likewise, the murder of Abu Khdeir was described, including by the boy's relatives, as a manifestation of Israeli Jewish racism. Therefore it also deserves inclusion in this entry. I hope you won't tell me that what his relatives say is not important, despite the fact that their statements are widely covered! That a "nationalistic" motivation means it is related to the "Arab-Israeli conflict" only highlights, not refutes, the fact that it was motivated by anti-Arab bigotry, since bigotry in a conflict pitting Arabs and Israelis means that said bigotry can only be either against Arabs or against Israelis, and in this case, it was clearly against Arabs. Rafe87 (talk) 20:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 26 December 2018
Norma FL. (talk) 21:05, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Arabism This article is very good but soemthing is wrong about the definition of Arab. It is written: Most Arabs are Caucasian. Exceptions are Mauritanian, Sudanese, Eritrean, Somali, and Comoran Arabs. This is wrong!!! Most Arabs are not Caucasian!!!

Arabs are semitic people from the Arabian Peninsula, Syrian Desert, and North and Lower Mesopotamia!

People from Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen are Arabs. Genetics testing has demonstrated that the most direct descendants of the Canaanites, Jebusites, Phoenicians and Sumerians are the Arabs.

Please correct this Arabs are not Caucasian. Arabs are semitic People from the Middle East and North Africa.

Thank you very much!
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. DannyS712 (talk) 00:10, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 December 2018
Norma FL. (talk) 17:29, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

This mistake is embarrassing Arabs are not Caucasian! Arabs are semitic people from the Arabian Peninsula, Syrian Desert, and North and Lower Mesopotamia!

Before the expansion of the Rashidun Caliphate (632–661), "Arab" referred to any of the largely nomadic and settled Semitic people from the Arabian Peninsula, Syrian Desert, and North and Lower Mesopotamia. Today, "Arab" refers to a large number of people whose native regions form the Arab world due to the spread of Arabs and the Arabic language throughout the region during the early Muslim conquests of the 7th and 8th centuries and the subsequent Arabisation of indigenous populations.

Today, Arabs primarily inhabit the 22 Arab states within the Arab League: Algeria, Bahrain, Comoros, Djibouti, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco, Oman, Palestine, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.

Some reliable sources are:

https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/present-day-lebanese-descend-biblical-canaanites-genetic-study-suggests https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/science/ancient-canaanites-bible-lebanon.html http://www.visitpetra.jo/Pages/viewpage.aspx?pageID=133 https://www.ibtauris.com/Books/Humanities/History/History-earliest-times-to-present-day/Ancient-history-to-c-500-CE/Petra-and-the-Lost-Kingdom-of-the-Nabataeans https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3215667/ https://www.amazon.de/Invention-Land-Israel-Holy-Homeland/dp/1781680833 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21970613 https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite http://www3.canisius.edu/~moleski/handouts/why%20they%20hate%20us%20.pdf https://www.timemaps.com/encyclopedia/history-of-arabia/
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Jack Frost (talk) 01:47, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

What is not clear? I explained what I mean twice. I have written absolutely everything specific and I gave you the link to the trusted sources! It has been so long and nothing changed although I gave you my sources.

Definition Arab: It is written: Most Arabs are Caucasian. Most Arabs are not Caucasian! You should delete this! This is a false information and came from the biggest Anti-Arabs! Where did you get this information? Give me your sources. This is an utter lie! It is shameful that Wikipedia makes a report about Anti-Arabism but at the same time lets the biggest Anti-Arabs write this report or gets its information from the biggest Anti-Arabs. I am very surprised to read something like this on Wikipedia. Wikipedia should give professional and neutral information. No place for Anti-Arabism on Wikipedia. Please delete this sentence: Most Arabs are Caucasian, because this is not true! Arabs are not Caucasian and they have nothing to do with Caucasia or Caucasian! Arabs are in origin the Canaanites, Phoenicians and Sumerians and Nabateans! Here are reliable sources:

https://www.sanger.ac.uk/news/view/present-day-lebanese-descend-biblical-canaanites-genetic-study-suggests

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/science/ancient-canaanites-bible-lebanon.html

http://www.visitpetra.jo/Pages/viewpage.aspx?pageID=133

https://www.ibtauris.com/Books/Humanities/History/History-earliest-times-to-present-day/Ancient-history-to-c-500-CE/Petra-and-the-Lost-Kingdom-of-the-Nabataeans

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3215667/

https://www.amazon.de/Invention-Land-Israel-Holy-Homeland/dp/1781680833 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21970613

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite

http://www3.canisius.edu/~moleski/handouts/why%20they%20hate%20us%20.pdf

https://www.timemaps.com/encyclopedia/history-of-arabia/ Norma FL. (talk) 18:55, 25 January 2019 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by Caucasian? Traditionally the [term [Caucasian race]] has usually included some or all of the ancient and modern populations of Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa. Semitic is a language grouping, not a "race". Doug Weller  talk 20:12, 25 January 2019 (UTC)

I mean Caucasia Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia people who speak Caucasic. Arabs are not from Caucasia Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia. I think it is very confusing when you write that Arabs are Caucasian. Many people don’t understand what that exactly means. If you want to write this then you have to explain it better like you explained it to me: Traditionally the term Caucasian race has usually included some or all of the ancient and modern populations of Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa.

The People quickly understands what is mean when you write: Traditionally the term Caucasian race has usually included some or all of the ancient and modern populations of Europe, Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, North Africa, and the Horn of Africa. But when you just write Arabs are Caucasian then people will think that means Russia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Armenia. Norma FL. (talk) 21:27, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 March 2019
I was just giving this article a quick peruse when I came to the Pakistan section. Needless to say I think the 21 (!!!) citations for a single sentence is a pretty extreme case of WP:OVERCITE that should be rectified.

PrimaPrime (talk) 01:07, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:30, 26 March 2019 (UTC)


 * There's no wording that needs to be changed, it's excess citations that I think can be safely removed. If you insist on this format, then I guess it would be to change "Wealthy Gulf Arabs hunting the endangered Houbara bustard in Pakistan for consumption as an aphrodisiac has led to negative sentiment against wealthy Arab shaykhs in Pakistan.[131][132][133][134][135][136][137][138][139][140][141][142][143][144][145][146][147][148][149][150][151][152]" to "Wealthy Gulf Arabs hunting the endangered Houbara bustard in Pakistan for consumption as an aphrodisiac has led to negative sentiment against wealthy Arab shaykhs in Pakistan.[131]" PrimaPrime (talk) 22:14, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
 * ✅ – Citations merged together. Many of those citations could probably be removed, but at least the sentence isn't cluttered. – Þjarkur (talk) 04:05, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

arabs are not white
arabs are not white, but this article states they are...can you please correct it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.248.30 (talk) 06:13, 23 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I removed the sentence that most Arabs are Caucasian. It was uncited and misleading due to the absence of a precise meaning of Caucasian. I suspect that the intention was to say that most Arabs have light-colored skin, which is sort of true (but not as light as, say, Anglo-Saxons) but we should not be using Caucasian in this pop-sense at all. Zerotalk 07:33, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

The Anti-Defamation League identifies the Arab American Institute as an anti-Israel protest organization.[169]
This particular sentence "The Anti-Defamation League identifies the Arab American Institute as an anti-Israel protest organization." has no purpose other than to demonize the Arab American Institute. It doesn't make sense with the rest of the paragraph. Advocating it's removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8080:2001:4300:69DC:C833:A830:363F (talk) 21:44, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

The Anti-Defamation League (ADL)
The Anti-Defamation League has a bigger section than other Arab organization. This seems like a whitewash. Further the ADL files controversy has no link. The ADL has been notorious for spying on Arabs and is often disliked by Arab Americans.

I propose narrowing the prominence of ADL in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8080:2001:4300:69DC:C833:A830:363F (talk) 21:48, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Poor sources and content
A lot of the examples given here are just single events that do little to indicate a wider trend. Also some of the claims are either unsupported or only supported by obviously biased sources with little actual historical value. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.243.155.153 (talk) 19:50, 5 February 2021 (UTC)