Talk:Anti-Scottish sentiment

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Someone has misunderstood some of the articles related to the abuse of Scots by English people. The wiki page currently claims that some Scottish school girls needed police protection at a carnival in Cumbria. If you read the refferenced BBC news article then you will see that infact it was school girls who were giving the abuse (to some musicians), not recieving it, and noone needed "police protection" as suggested by the wiki article. The other examples are mostly quite weak aswell, which despite being protrayed in the wiki article as extreme behaviour actualy involve drunken teenagers, a young child with a bb gun who makes fun of people who are different (hardly an exceptional attitude for children the world over), and a football hooligan (a problem that vastly transcends supposed racism). Only the refferenced case of harrassment of a Scottish family living in England is genuinely disturbing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.200.50.218 (talk) 11:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

A Fraudulent Reference!
The quote from William Camden, allegedly representing the Scots as blood-drinking cannibals, does not refer in fact to modern-era Scots, but to ancient Scots! This is quite another section of Camden's work, he clearly distinguished between modern and ancient history. He legitimately quoted what was known about ancient Scots from Graeco-Roman sources. The use of present tense is only due to clumsy citation. See the full text here: http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/cambrit/coinseng.html#scots1 Fighting discriminations is good, but please not distort the evidence in order to make all pre-20th century people sort of Nazis.46.39.36.33 (talk) 10:39, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Expand the Article
Should this merge with the "Scottish Raj" article?

Instances of anti-Scottish sentement in England well?

Scotophobe
"Anti-Scottish sentiment is disdain, envy, fear or hatred for Scotland, the Scots or Scottish culture. It may be referred to as Scotophobia" ABSURD sentence. PHOBIA is fear. "Anti-" whatever means you just don't like them. Not liking something is not the same as being afraid of them, no matter what the object of the dislike would care to believe.24.67.72.62 (talk) 22:33, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

...is a person afraid of the dark, according to Fear of the dark. Will remove this from the main text for the time being. Leushenko (talk) 14:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

It also means fear of Scots. I have cited this and will be sorting out a dab for this soon. Colonel Warden (talk) 20:50, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Its means fear of the dark Scotophobia in relation to Scotland is a neologism -- Barryob  (Contribs)   (Talk)  20:54, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The prefix Scoto- to mean Scottish goes back centuries and the OED has multiple examples of the Scotophobia usage in reference to Scotland. It is an established usage. Colonel Warden (talk) 21:43, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes Scoto is used for things that relate to Scotland it but still it does not stop the term Scotophobia being a neologism, try a google search without dark and darkness and have to include the words scotland only 554 results -- Barryob  (Contribs)   (Talk)  03:02, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Jeezus, some anal ignorant yanks who have no clue what is is lik to spend millenia next to a larger aggressive hostile neighbour lecturing us about neologisms ... why don't you just move to England, Goebbels? 82.12.122.147 (talk) 03:04, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

God Save The King
This is a very interesting article, but it seems not to recognise the existence of humour behind many of the expressions of anti-Scottish sentiment, however tasteless they seem from a Scottish point of view. Everyone knows Kelvin McKenzie likes a good wind-up and the Scots are very easily wound up! He was pressing all the wrong buttons for entertainment's sake. That's an English characteristic where the pleasure seems to come from watching the victim's fury mount.

I believe that the Marshall Wade verse was added to 'God Save The King' by the actor David Garrick and sung before a theatrical performance at Drury Lane while the Jacobites were advancing on London and expected imminently. As a Scot, I say "fair enough!" The people in the theatre must have been very afraid of the unknown and I don't think it reprehensible that they wanted to cling together and raise their morale by encouraging the defeat of their enemy in a rousing lyric, cf. 1940 'Blitz' mentality. The improvised verse was never given any official sanction, as some modern-day Scottish nationalists seem to imply whenever they mention it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kim Traynor (talk • contribs) 21:04, 21 July 2011 (UTC) Kelvin McKenzie should try turning his vile bigoted humour on Blacks and see how funny see law regards him. It may funny to bigots like you but not to his victims. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.237.213.154 (talk) 10:00, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

One might also point out that verse refers not to 'Scots' but to 'rebellious Scots' i.e. not to Scots generally but to a specific group of Scots who happened to be rebelling against the Crown of what by then was a United Kingdom. Cassandra — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.99.242.222 (talk) 14:40, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Pejorative terms
I just removed the section "Pejorative terms", which consisted of the following single sentence:


 * Racist, or pejorative, anti-Scottish terms include "jock", "scotch", "porridge wog" and "sweaty" - the last of these being cockney rhyming slang.

I think this requires references (and perhaps some explanations) before it's included. Denbosch (talk) 09:32, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

You're no gonnae find any references because naebody uses any of these terms except "jock", and it sure as f*ck isnae racist. Although "porridge wog" is f*ckin' quality banter. 04:14 29 July 2016 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.30.169.104 (talk)

Lowlanders anti-Highlander/anti-Gaelic sentiment.
Most of the article, the "historic" sections deal with anti-Highlander sentiment specifically. Since the driving force of anti-Highlander sentiment were the "Scottish" Teutonic Lowlanders, this should be clarified more. It also spuriously presents the Jacobites as somehow supported by Lowlanders on a wide basis as some sort of nationalist movement. The biggest anti-Jacobites in the British Isles were the Scottish Lowland Presbytarians and their co-racialists/religionists in Ulster. Claíomh Solais (talk) 18:24, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Scottish mafia
The Scottish mafia is not a 'group' and does not have a 'membership'. Shipsview (talk) 11:34, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Agreed. This section should probably be removed. Much of it is unsourced and uses weasel words.

As an aside, the section claims that the term was widely used in English media. I can honestly say that reading this article was the first time I had heard this phrase.

iMarc89 (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC) iMarc89 (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

http://www.economist.com/news/britain/21588380-westminsters-scottish-mafia-has-it-good-will-not-last-cosa-scotia - Happy? Steelwool (talk) 12:10, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

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