Talk:Anti-austerity movement in Ireland

POV
The article seems to have a decidedly pro-protest/anti-government POV. It seems as if it was created to push a particular political viewpoint.

I think some of these issues were raised during the deletion discussion.92.251.57.200 (talk) 19:12, 20 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Will work on removing some of the irrelevancies and items unconnected to the banking crisis/austerity. Some of the stuff included is a real stretch - some protesters heckled the Taoiseach as he left an event? Big deal.  Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 10:58, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Notability, NPOV, flowery language
I've removed some of the "protests" where, apparently, some people heckled some politicians and nothing else happened. I've removed a report of some people from a rural village having a meeting with an MEP. I've removed language along the lines of "people descended from all over the country and all four provinces" and replaced it with "people marched to Dáil Éireann", or similar.

If adding material, please at least make sure it's of encyclopedic value - WP:5, WP:NPOV and WP:NOTABILITY all apply to this article. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 14:18, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Notability again
Students not going ahead with a protest; and one schoolboy reading a speech at a debate, while his fellow students look on, bored, and the Tánaiste smiles patronisingly? Really? I realise there's an agenda being driven, here, but really, none of this is notable or encyclopedic. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 01:46, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 15 February 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number   5  7  12:56, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Anti-austerity protests in Ireland → Anti-austerity movement in Ireland – To match others, like Anti-austerity movement in Greece, Anti-austerity movement in Spain and Anti-austerity movement in Portugal. – 95.44.248.241 (talk) 14:59, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 23:31, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * @User:95.44.248.241 User:Snappy:
 * Oppose - Its OR to say its a movement rather than a series of protests. Please discuss it on the talk page. Snappy (talk) 18:22, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose - per Snappy. This move (also affecting similar articles about other countries) and the financial crisis page moves seem to be being driven by a single anon IP. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 00:05, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Whatever else it may be, it is not a fact, allegation, or idea "for which no reliable, published sources exist". Numerous media and academic sources exist. Here are a few          — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.44.248.241 (talk) 02:50, 16 February 2015 (UTC)


 * 1. Can you please get an account? It's quick, free, and more anonymous than using your (Donegal?) eircom.net IP address.
 * 2. There have been a series of anti-austerity protests in Ireland, absolutely. There will be more. Nobody disputes that.
 * 3. However, there is no single "movement" behind those protests. Instead, there are a variety of political parties, unions, alliances, trade and representative associations, and "grass-roots" organisations organising protests. Some of these spend considerable time and energy arguing with each other (to the extent of costing each other sure seats in elections) - Socialist Party, Anti-Austerity Alliance, SWP, People Before Profit, ULA, etc...
 * 4. The article is about the protests that have taken place, which would not be notable if treated as single protests. It is not about any one, single organising movement because there isn't one.
 * 5. The references you have supplied do not support your contention. 1. references the "Irish anti-water charge campaign"; 2. is literally just a headline; 3. doesn't mention Ireland at all; 4. mentions Ireland in respect of people fearing unemployment, and later mentions Occupy (not specifically the Irish Occupy ones); 5. Ireland mentioned in two paragraphs, but talks about protests, not one (or any) movement; 6: Literally just a headline. About Greece, not Ireland; 7. 2012 article that mentions Sinn Féin; 8: Article about Greece, doesn't mention Ireland. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 13:02, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * There may be Anti-Austerisy movements in other countries but that does not mean Ireland is the same. No sources have been provided to prove that such a "movement" exist exists. Instead in Ireland, there are disparate groups protesting about various issues but no single "movement", so the current title is most accurate and moving it to the proposed title is synthesis. Snappy (talk) 17:41, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Oppose - per Snappy. ww2censor (talk) 10:16, 22 February 2015 (UTC)


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"Background" sections
I have removed the additional "background" sections that were recently added. FF/GP polls in 2008, Anglo-Irish bank, the bank guarantee, the other causes of the economic downturn, etc., are covered much more properly and in much more depth in their own and other articles - already linked here. This article is a list of the major resulting protests, most of which would not be notable enough to justify their own articles - nothing more. Bastun Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 11:15, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

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Are protests REALLY still continuing in Ireland?
I live in Ireland and there's no real sustainable and continuous anti-austerity protest movement here any more, if at all to begin with. I recommend updating this to mention that protests have largely disappeared. Any protests these days are your average march that's been a feature of Irish political discourse for decades. DojoIrl (talk) 01:40, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

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