Talk:Antonine Wall

Quotations from Bede
I have made it clear that Bede places the turf wall and the stone wall (Hadrian's wall) in the 400s, not the 120s, and he never identifies it with Hadrian. Although it is fairly obvious that Bede was referring to what we know say is Hadrian's wall, it is better that the page admits that Bede placed it in completely the 'wrong' era.Tatelyle (talk) 12:01, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Tatelyle turned out to be one of many sockpuppets of fringe author Ralph Ellis. Doug Weller  talk 12:47, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Gildas and Bede- I don't think so.
The article reflects what seems to be a consensus view, but one which is I think mistaken, and based on outdated knowledge. I doubt poor old Gildas even knew the Antonine wall had ever existed, and his "wall of turves" doesn't reference it.

Modern archaeology has revealed that for nearly half its length, the original Tyne-Solway wall built under Hadrian was an earthwork rampart not unlike the German Limes. This section was rebuilt in stone by Severus in the wake of the invasion of 192, and most of the surviving construction inscriptions honor him, not his predecessor (one of these is near Jarrow, and almost certainly represents the source of Bede's attempted correction). In other words, Gildas was talking about one location, not two, and had the construction sequence (if not the dating) correct; Bede only fixed the problem halfway so to speak. But neither author was referring to a distant and forgotten entrenchment far off in Caledonia; instead they were accounting for the biggest and most prominent Roman landmark in northern Britannia. -- Solicitr (talk) 15:18, 14 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Bumping this, because the article remains unchanged and is in my view incorrect: Gildas was not talking about the Antonine Wall, because he didn't know it existed. Solicitr (talk) 15:37, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Does anyone speak animated gif?
The image right is the current version of the Roman Empire map, widely used in many language wikis, and purports to show the most northerly expansion of the Roman Empire - stopping at Hadrian's Wall. Curiously, the version timestamped 14:29, 2 July 2006 correctly showed true most northerly expansion to the Antonine Wall. Clearly someone got at the developer and got it hauled back to England. But the correct version is still available but can't just be reinstated as is because the live version had a useful enhancment, which was to show dates before 1 CE (AD) as negative numbers. So it 'only' needs someone to apply that change to the July 2006 version and republish, for the truth to be out there. --Red King (talk) 19:57, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Severan Wall
The article states "In 208 Emperor Septimius Severus re-established legions at the Antonine Wall and ordered repairs". However, the reference cited (The Scottish Campaigns of Septimius Severus) does not mention the re-establishment of the Antonine Wall at all. David Breeze in his 2006 book on the Antonine Wall states: "There is no indication that the emperors Septimius Severus and Caracalla paid any attention to the [Antonine] Wall when they crossed it during their campaigns against the Caledonians and Maeatae between 208 and 210. All our sources are silent on the point" (p. 171). Unless anyone has direct evidence supporting the re-establishment of the Wall in 208-10 I propose removing this statement. Kognos (talk) 20:11, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Agreed. There is abundant evidence that Severus had much of Hadrian's wall repaired or rebuilt, but nothing about construction work on the old northern site. Solicitr (talk) 16:23, 29 March 2020 (UTC)


 * I've now made the changes, citing Breeze (2006). Kognos (talk) 19:53, 10 April 2020 (UTC)

"In Fiction" section

 * , you have repeatedly added a mention of "The Antonine Romans and The Golden Torque" to the "In fiction" section, and it has been repeatedly been removed by me and other editors. Not all works of fiction warrant mention in the article, only those that are notable in Wikipedia's sense the one you have been adding is not. That is why I have been removing it. Maproom (talk) 09:45, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. This "Antonine Romans and The Golden Torque" is notable. Rather than removing, please alter to what would be acceptable to you as this work is available on Amazon, Book Shops and Libraries. KnowledgeIsWonderful (talk) 09:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Also, it was removed on past occasions as I did not have the citation right, which I have now found out to do. Please therefore undo your last edit. Thank you. KnowledgeIsWonderful (talk) 10:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your comments and I have re-added, as the work is notable having been enjoyed from Amazon, Bookshops and Libraries, is as relevant as other entries in this Fiction Section and is properly cited. Goodbye. KnowledgeIsWonderful (talk) 12:25, 28 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Please see WP:N to see how the word "notable" is used in this context. It means that there is a Wikipedia article on the subject. Maproom (talk) 20:11, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

English Heritage?
Why would the governing body be English Heritage for the Antonine wall? 86.19.21.195 (talk) 07:43, 16 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed --Cavrdg (talk) 08:12, 16 February 2023 (UTC)