Talk:Anya Ayoung-Chee

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This article seems once again to have morphed into sounding like it was written by a professional publicist WP:PROMO. I encourage contributors to review the archived discussions (especially Archive 1) to get a sense of what we're dealing with here.

The primary problem is the sex tape story, but it seems like it leads for a list of other WP:PROMOTION issues. The short version is this. The sex tape scandal occurred, was widely reported by reliable sources, admitted to by Ms. Ayoung-Chee, and was relevant to her notability. For nearly a decade now, attempts to add this information have met with resistance, nearly all by a single editor. He patrols this page aggressively (usually reverting edits and responding to posts like this one within minutes of them being submitted). Finally, frustrated editors brought this to an RFC, which died without a resolution because one editor refused to go along with the consensus... the same guy. On archive 1 he threatens a permaban against a user, claiming falsely that the RFC had ruled that the material be deleted. As I said, he's usually able to respond to changes to this page within minutes, and has been for the better part of a decade. I reviewed his edit logs, and he doesn't appear to have any interest in or position on inclusion of sex tape scandal information for any other celebs-- just this one. Large numbers of editors have opposed him, but we're all amateurs and only have time to jump in every few months. Every few years, a group get annoyed enough to lead a drive on this issue. Then, a few weeks or months later once we've moved on to other things, small edits creep in and eventually we're back to square one.

That appears to have happened yet again, with the material that we'd reached consensus on several times over several years being again deleted and replaced with a single vague sentence. The editor in question again references the talk pages, claiming that the consensus had favored his approach when in fact it was the opposite and even he claimed to have accepted it. I drop by every few years to ensure that the consensus position has been held to, and here now once again I find that as of last January the editor in question has again deleted the consensus content. A brief review of other similar pages shows that his interest in these kinds of scandals seems limited entirely to this particular celeb. He contributes actively, and as far as I can tell positively, everywhere else.

So I'm adding the Advert tag. Not just over the sex tape issue. I think the consensus content is neutral, notable, well-sourced, and appropriate in weight. Let's just restore that. But the bigger issue is that this seems more like a promotional page than a biographical article, and it appears that attempts to make it more neutral every few years are getting stymied because one editor has the time/incentive to jump in every few minutes if necessary, while the rest of us operate on a week/month cycle. Ironic, because if it wasn't for the heavy-handed attempts to patrol her page, I'd have long since forgotten that Ms. Ayoung-Chee even existed. 131.96.47.18 (talk) 13:43, 8 November 2017 (UTC)


 * I didn't notice that the article is now once again semi-protected. There's no notice of that in the talk pages, nor who did it or why. The article was semi-protected during the original debates in 2011, but it hadn't been protected for years. 131.96.47.18 (talk) 13:46, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

This should be included:

In 2009, a sex tape leaked on the internet of Ayoung-Chee, her boyfriend, photographer Wyatt Gallery and an unidentified woman (rumors that it was Japan Miss Universe 2008 Hiroko Mima were false). Allegedly, the tape was stolen by a tech support specialist in Trinidad from Wyatt Gallery's laptop.

And under the category of Sex tape, which is one reason she is notable--due to this scandal. p.s. I came here to learn more about her and if it was true, after reading about the issue, but strange to fine WP so devoid and sanitized of information that is in the public venue. Its the attempt to cover up, where the real shame lies. 2601:645:8300:81:B41D:1567:7A4B:DCED (talk) 00:58, 13 February 2018 (UTC)