Talk:Araneus diadematus

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Might be worth looking to see what they eat? just a thought? Ashley Payne 16:18, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I might take a guess at... insects? Ameise -- chat 07:48, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've seen grasshoppers, flies, wasps, butterflies, etc 192.237.29.254 16:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

pics
I uploaded a few pics. if you want to add them, go ahead! THanks http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:GardenSpider_web.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:GardenSpider_underside.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:GardenSpider_top.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:GardenSpider_RepairingWeb.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:GardenSpider_onHand.JPG 192.237.29.254 16:52, 1 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting, that one doesn't have the cross on its back. Danceswithzerglings (talk) 12:23, 6 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Whatever this is, it's probably not A. diadematus. --88.74.165.92 (talk) 13:13, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * It's a Argiope aurantia commonly known as the Black and Yellow Garden Spider. DGERobertson (talk) 21:14, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

habitat
these spiders are also found in Southern California, for whatever it's worth. I saw one in a garden in Mission Viejo, CA, in mid-Sept 2007, that was -- no BS -- 50% larger body diameter than a US 25 cent piece

it looked just like the one in your main photo —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.81.25.55 (talk) 17:21, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Size?
I once found an absolutely enormous cross spider here in Cornwall, UK. It was approximately 1.5 inches long, and had quite a substantial bulk to it. The web it had spun was also enormous, approximately 5 foot in diameter. I've since seen a number of these spiders that have been quite a lot bigger than the usual small size, but so far none to rival the one I just described, although a few haven't been far off. Just to give you an idea the legs must have been a good 2 or 3 mm thick!

So just how large can these things get? And how do they manage to get this big? They seem to have the capacity to become fairly substantial creatures from what I've sene. Presumably Cornwall offers the right conditions for these things to get quite large but is there any record of the largest or anything about mutations? ▫Bad▫ harlick♠ 08:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Presumbaly the more the eat the larger they get. Are there a lot of flying insects in this part of Cornwall? Drutt (talk) 19:26, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

stridulate?
Reference for this? Has anyone actually heard these spiders sing? Drutt (talk) 10:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

In the wikipedia page about orb-weaver spiders, it says all orb-weaver spiders lack stridulating organs. I've also seen many cross spiders myself but have never heard them make any kind of sound. Guess I'll try to threaten them next time I see one. 78.27.71.223 (talk) 22:13, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, you'll have no luck. These spiders, indeed, do not stridulate, nor were they even able to. Instead I can only guess, though I'd guess, that what is actually meant here--but wrongly formulated--is the action of self-vibrating in a somewhat gyrating motion, inside its web, this spider might initiate when felt to be threatened. It's a threat response seen in quite a few spider species, most notably, perhaps, in various Pholcidae species. Eur. garden spiders sometimes do this as well, I'm as sure of this as I can be, since I've actually seen it. Which, of course, doesn't make a good reference.. even though, stridulation is obviously false, and consequently not verified, either. Zero Thrust (talk) 04:10, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

web eating
I have seen this. It reminded me of someone eating spaghetti. She eats the old strands of web then plays out new ones. Drutt (talk) 10:51, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * i have been observing a very similar looking spider in my back yard in maryland for the last week.however, she spins a web in the late evening, and eats it in the morning. no question about it. the reference in the text is now a dead link, and i wonder if it hasn't been gotten backwards.Toyokuni3 (talk) 04:57, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Cross
Does the cross pattern serve any camoflage/defensive purpose? Drutt (talk) 10:54, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Eastern Europe
"also called the cross spider in Eastern Europe, " I didn't know they speak English in Eastern Europe. Either mention the word 'cross spider' if it's in use in English speaking countries, or mention the local name in other languages. Don't mention the literal English translation of names in other languages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.74.177.140 (talk) 14:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

May 2009 image overhaul
Everybody please keep in mind not to add too many pictures of the same kind to an article. It's not supposed to be an image gallery. There is a Commons article on araneus diadematus for that purpose. --Wilder Kaiser (talk) 17:54, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have just removed some pictures and replaced others with better quality ones. -- Alvesgaspar (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you removed one too many pictures. You should add one back that illustrates the "diadem" or "cross" pattern that gives it its common names. Dger (talk) 00:18, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Webs built by both sexes.
The male diadems also definitely spin webs. I've seen plenty, and actually have one in my living room houseplants to catch fruit flies (a hazard of buying organic produce.) So I see no reason for the article to specify that -females- spin webs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.147.237.117 (talk) 02:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm wondering if the females always have large, mushroom-like abdomens. Because most of the Araneus diadematus I see in the center of webs in my garden have a body shape more like the male. There used to be one with the huge abdomen (I'm figuring a female) but I haven't seen another for years. 2601:645:8001:F586:9D9A:961F:2F25:9299 (talk) 07:38, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Photography
Today I created and introduced this picture in Commons, in the case somebody wants to use it:



Regards. Kintaro (talk) 18:53, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 14 January 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 11:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

European garden spider → Araneus diadematus – The article title is misleading in that the common name "European garden spider" is anything but common. Witness the redirect(s) and common names listed. This spider is also very common and widespread in North America and I would assume, Asia and other places.

I doubt the "common" name which is the article title is even common in Europe, however I an attuned to the (Eurocentric) proclivities of many users.

In any event, the species epithet diadematus refers to a diadem, or crown, not a cross or a continent. Our binomial naming convention was established to avoid just such confusion, and should be taken advantage of in an encyclopedic setting. Nickrz (talk) 19:13, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Support But for the reason that when there are multiple common names for a species the binomial name is preferred. Dger (talk) 21:36, 14 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Support Per WP:COMMONNAME The most commonly used name in reliable sources for this spider is the scientific name, not any vernacular name. European garden spider isn't even the most commonly used vernacular name. Google Books has 3530 results for "cross spider", 191 for "European garden spider", and 5510 for "Araneus diadematus". Plantdrew (talk) 01:12, 19 January 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

"Bite like a bee sting"
I've removed the claim "The bite is not unlike a mild bee sting. ", as this isn't what the cited reference says, and I also know from personal experience that it isn't true. (As a child, I used to pick these up a lot, and the very largest ones would occasionally bite the palm of my hand, but it was only ever a purely physical effect, like a pinprick. No "sting" or venom effect). Iapetus (talk) 13:26, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Behavrioal Ecology Student Suggestions
One strength of this article has is that it focuses in on the unique and distinguishing features of the Araneus didematus. It provides a large array of media images and videos. In the lead section, it also discloses many common names for the spider for better user recognition and to clarify misconceptions. FRom the WikiSpiders guidelines, I suggest that a Habitat section be added to this page to further elaborate on the ecological niche this spider lives in. Part of this would also include adding a map of the location. Akwan826 (talk) 18:02, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * this is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit and there are few active spider editors to respond to your suggestions. So feel free to add to the article. Peter coxhead (talk) 20:42, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Opinion
I know this opposes "Neutral Point Of View", but I just wish to express my opinion. I oppose sexual cannibalism. German Gamer  77  19:47, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

I would like to add a picture
I tools some pictures of this thing and I would like permission to upload them. Mhannigan (talk) 17:37, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

Diet
possibliy important 86.30.144.237 (talk) 15:23, 22 July 2022 (UTC)

Diurnal? Nocturnal? Sleep habits?
I'm curious about the sleep habits of this species. I've seen them active in the afternoon, morning, and night, in Chicago, in 2026. Their webs now (July 2023) cover bridge hand railings on the Des Plaines River. 149.75.156.230 (talk) 03:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)