Talk:Army Group Centre

Mikkalai, 2005

 * ''Technically, the Battle of Berlin was not the very last battle. The last notable operation was on May 11, 1945, when the Soviet Army destoyed the unsurrendered parts of Army Group Centre in Czechoslovakia.

What is the time line for Group Army Centre from the time that the IV Pazer Army corps was transfrered to the IX Army on 21 April, as Group Army Centre fell back under the weight of the attack by 1st Ukrainian Front.

I know it is horribly complicated because it involves Soviets, Czech partians with the aid of Russian Liberation Army, and also General Patton US Third Army.   

After the general German surrender on May 8 1945 was there any significant fighting and what were the casualties for the various parties to the conflict after that date? Philip Baird Shearer 15:52, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, Philip, I cannot add much about the last days of Army Group Centre now. I am far from being military expert. I am only adding pieces and bits I know (of course, after some checking with sources) which I think are notable. I think you agree that the fact about fights after surrender is notable. The czecho case is also notable, because Soviets not simply routinely fought there, but they transferred additional significant tank forces very quickly there (I think from Germany, but I don't really know).

Unfortunately I have no idea:
 * why did Heeresgruppe Mitte fight:
 * whether the surrender order didn't arrive
 * or they decided to give a goodbye kick to Soviets
 * Whether Ferdinand Schörner was in command at this time:
 * His article says that he was captured by yankees, so there are two options (that would call for updates in articles):
 * HeGruMi fought both ivans and yankees at this place at these "postmortem" days
 * He was not in charge at that moment
 * What was the reason of the Soviet move to Czecho
 * was it request for help
 * or Soviets decided to grab as much territory as possible from under the Allies nose.

Mikkalai 19:14, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Confusing "Army Group Centre"...
What is that bolded Army Group Centre in the last section of the article?? I'm asking myself if that is the 'old' Army Group Centre or the renamed Army Group A. -Pika ten10 (talk) 14:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Spelling
Why is this article's title (and subsequent mentions in the main text) written in British English? It should read "Center", not "Centre"... and before anyone even thinks it, the answer is no; only pages about Canada, Britain, Australia, and the nations of the British Commonwealth should be using British English as their primary writing style... NOT France, Belgium, Hungary, Russia, or any other nations... Magus732 (talk) 14:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

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Date of formation?
It says "The first Army Group Centre was created on 22 June 1941". That was also the date of the invasion. This seems distinctly odd to me, that they would create the organization on the same day it went into battle. Seems a recipe for things to go wrong. If it didn't exist on 21 June 1941, they would not have had a commanding general and, indeed, no personnel at all, at least formally. How could they have planned.

Maybe I'm missing something. But I couldn't find any info on line giving a creation date, except for Wikpedia mirrors. Surely somewhere there is a citation for this? Herostratus (talk) 21:57, 12 July 2023 (UTC)


 * @Herostratus Army Group Center was not "formed" per se, but renamed. It was previously Army Group B, which is accordingly listed in its own article as stopping to exist in June 1941. Likewise, Army Group A becomes Army Group South and Army Group C becomes Army Group North in the same redesignation scheme. By extension, the staff around army group commander Fedor von Bock already existed, as he was both the commander of Army Group B before 22 June 1941 and the commander of Army Group Center after it. Ted52 (talk) 12:57, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
 * User:Ted52: Alright, so, Army Group B. Maybe for security reasons or whatever the actual name change didn't occur until the day of the invasion. Army Group B indicates that they are indeed the same formation. The commander (Kluge) didn't change on June 21, and I don't seen any evidence that there were any major order-of-battle changes that significantly altered the command structure of the eastern forceson that date such as to make them substantially different organizations, plus that would have been madness. So I changed the text to indicated that. Herostratus (talk) 17:04, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Any objections to a renaming?
The fact that Centre is spelt the British way has always annoyed me when editing Wehrmacht pages. On Wikipedia, the American spelling is used; compare Center and Centre — the latter is a redirect. I would like to move the page to "Army Group Center" and leave "Army Group Centre" a redirect. Any objections? Ted52 (talk) 12:58, 2 October 2023 (UTC)