Talk:Arsenal

aresnal fc
i'm getting rid of most of the bit about arsenal football clubJoevsimp 11:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Any ideas about the sentence "Arsenal FC are also based in the city"? The placement makes it look like they're saying that Arsenal are from Venice, which is probably not true. I am removing it for the moment. Inhumandecency (talk) 02:19, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Etymology
This page says "The word is of Arabic origin, being a corruption of daras-sina'ah, house of trade or manufacture...", but the Venetian Arsenal page says "The name probably comes from Arabic Dar al Sina’a ('Dockyard')...". I understand the etymology may be in dispute, but can we possibly get a correct translation of the Arabic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elmo iscariot (talk • contribs) 15:44, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
Shouldn't Arsenal F.C be the page that comes up when 'Arsenal' is searched for? I'm sure that is what most people typing that in are looking for, no offence to fans of military arsenals. It would seem to make more practical sense. If not then the initial page should at least be to the disambiguation. Lord Cornwallis (talk) 02:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree wholeheartedly, it would be safe to assume that the majority of people searching the query "arsenal" are surprised to get this, not the football club. I'm new to this, how to we determine if we can change that? (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2009 (ET)
 * Arsenal FC certainly has an international following, but given the worldwide reach of Wikipedia the military establishment, rather than the club, should be the first page found. There's an empirical test given in WP:PRIMARYTOPIC: the number of pages in SPECIAL:WHATLINKSHERE for each article: the military arsenal has much the greater number. Arsenal F.C. is in the hatnote: just one more click! --Old Moonraker (talk)
 * Could I see the link for that? (talk) 17:47, 21 January 2009 (ET)
 * That is a very good question: I've just checked again and it seems that my comparison between Arsenal F. C. and arsenals contained an error that isn't immediately obvious. Apologies. Notwithstanding, I believe the original, historical topic should be the main page. If you feel strongly that the change should be made, the procedure is set out at here. --Old Moonraker (talk) 12:07, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If you search only article namespace and compare "Arsenal" to "Arsenal FC" (rather than "Arsenal fc") you get about the same number of hits. If you google "Arsenal", there's no mention of anything but the football club on the first page (I didn't bother checking how far you have to go before munitions are mentioned). If you check the traffic statistics, more people visit Arsenal FC than Arsenal (and how many of those people were really trying to get to the FC?) One of the articles talks about carriage factories and saddleries and carries the tag. The other is a Featured Article rated as Highly Important and Important in two seperate projects; it's been recorded as a spoken article, it has over 90 references, 10 highly notable external pages, and it's own navigation template. I don't think there's really any contest as to which page should have the higher priority. Endomorphic (talk) 12:10, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. Check out Arsenal F.C. (no space) and Arsenal FC (no dots or spaces). Together these have a *lot* more linkage than arsenal, so now the empirical tests support pointing this article towards the football club. Endomorphic (talk) 10:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep, that was my error! --Old Moonraker (talk) 10:37, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * ...Can we move it then? --Raudys 12:59, 28 January 2009 (ET)
 * I'm an Arsenal fan but I think it's best left the way it is. The word Arsenal is first and foremost a military installation (look at the club badge!). Anyway, there's a direct link to the Arsenal FC page from here. Zarcadia (talk) 12:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Might also help international fans understand where the FC got its name from in the first place. 62.196.17.197 (talk) 14:13, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Attribution
The section "Arsenal Types" looks like a quote from somewhere (the style is certainly very different from the rest of the page) ... could someone please attribute it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.74.62.195 (talk) 09:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It looks like its from Americanized Encyclopedia britannica, 1890, OCLC 26735491. It needs to be put into its proper historical context as well, if it's to be kept at all. --Old Moonraker (talk) 10:05, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Vandalism
I notice that there has been a great deal of vandalism on this page by people who don't particularly like the soccer team by the same name. It may not be a bad idea to make this article semi-protected, at the very least. Unfortunately, I do not know how to go about requesting that status.Bardbom (talk) 00:06, 23 March 2013 (UTC)