Talk:Ashley Lawrence

Requested move 16 November 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Roughly equal amount of supports and opposes, but the support !votes are more grounded in policy. (closed by non-admin page mover) — Material  Works  19:02, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

– Ashley Lawrence the soccer player has 162,377 pageviews in the past 5 years. Ashley Lawrence the musician has 6,504. That's 25 times the amount for the soccer player. It was the correct decision when her page was created and she was not yet famous, but since then she has become the clear primary topic, and doesn't need soccer in the parenthesis. Most professional international footballers are primary for their name, so this is consistent. The other Ashley Laurence spells her name differently. We should put a notice on top directing to that Ashley Laurence. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 08:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ashley Lawrence (soccer) → Ashley Lawrence
 * Ashley Lawrence → Ashley Lawrence (disambiguation)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 17:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Oppose - no PRIMARYTOPIC. Pageviews are totally irrelevant; just because a topic is 'current' and receiving page views as a result is no indication of more or less notability. GiantSnowman 17:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry I was told that pageviews are a good metric for proving primary topic. The pageview argument has been used against me before, and it worked for them. I was careful to discuss pageviews over time rather than just this year so it would not be a "current" topic. If it is the case that pageviews are irrelevant (which you are the first person to tell me this), I will simply change my argument to the fact that she is indeed the primary topic. Helpfulwikieditoryay (talk) 17:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Oppose - she does not have the same popularity level as Alex Morgan or Sam Kerr for base name to be primary. This article is currently rated as "Start" whereas the other two I am mentioning are good articles, to be honest I have not noticed any start rated articles being primary among others whose people have the same names as each other. Iggy (Swan) (Contribs) 23:52, 18 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support - I'm a bit surprised by the opposition not taking the evidence into account. Traffic is one of the primary factors, historical significance the other.  It's difficult to evaluate the latter criteria for these two pages.  In my opinion, the traffic cited is well above the threshold for PRIMARYTOPIC.  In fact  100%  of the clicks seeking a destination from the base page name are going to the soccer player according to WikiNav clickstream.  This can be easily handled by adding a hatnote. -2pou (talk) 23:00, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Support. What a strange discussion. Page views are one of the primary metrics listed at WP:DETERMINEPRIMARY in determining a primary topic. Good evidence provided by the nom and 2pou that the vast majority of people looking for "Ashley Lawrence" are after the article on the soccer player. Jenks24 (talk) 10:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)