Talk:Astana/Archive 1

The seal
Why someone deleted the seal? I'm gonnna upload it again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanante (talk • contribs) 20:29, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Pictures of buildings
I deleted the Intercontinental as a site worth seeing; this is really not worth seeing by any standards, even by Astana ones - it's a typical highrise hotel, not special in any respect. See or.

I removed this from sights "the Kazakhstan History Museum" because a subtle vandal inserted it. Can it be confirmed? lots of issues | leave me a message 18:24, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Architecture
The Albert Speer reference... ain't we going overboard here? We could settle on a more understated way to convey the quasi-obvious... elpincha 21:11, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

The comments about the architectural style seem a bit biased.


 * Yes, what is "Albert Speer style" supposed to mean - that some buildings (which?) look like some of Speer's actual designs, or just a POV comment that they look too overbearing and hostile? I'll google up some pics of Speer's work to compare, and I'm going to Astana in September so would be happy to take pictures! Moyabrit 14:11, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * The speer reference is more of a suggestion of the nationalist nature, rather than a critique. I would say, however, that early Stalinist architecture is more of a model. The claim that the critics applaud it is wrong. Postmodernism is out in the architecture world, and I have never heard a positive word about the place from an architect, even a traditionalist one. The citation should be removed. Stakhanov 07:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Name
I've removed a submission from Articles for creation and commentary in the article itself disputing the name of this article, and stating that it should be Aqmola. Please discuss the name of the city here. Uncle G 16:38, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

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I believe that Aqmola (or Akmola) is translated as a Holy (or Revered) Place rather than White Gravestone (an ignorant word-for-word translation). We don't translate Couch Potato as a potato growing in a couch, do we? As for its present name, it should be Astana, the name used for both official purposes and everyday use by ordinary Kazakhstani folks. The use of any other name is an insult to Kazakhstani people as would calling Saint-Petersburg, Leningrad. It is fine to make a comment about past names but the main name should be Astana.

Mukhtar (citizen of Kazakhstan)

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dear friends I found some mistakes in the article

first name of Astana was Ak Mola within 1824—1832 and after Akmolinsk, Tselinograd, Ak Mola and now Astana also such words "More cynical interpretations suggest that President Nazarbayev desired to create a "Potemkin village"" don not support upper standards of quality Wikipedia

guys don’t follow by russian chauvinistic users or behaviors please be neutral

More!
I propose that more content be added to this page regarding all the wacky building projects here. See Newsweek International's article on Astana and you'll understand! Brutannica 08:21, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Apparently conspiracy theorists think this city is intended to be the capitol of the "new world order" should this be mentioned with a link to the new world order conspiracy article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.146.163.145 (talk) 20:52, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

persian add?
what is hell? does anybody say me what do a persian "Persian: آستانه" here? personally I coudnt see any historical links with Kazakhs with our capital

as far as I know, the word astana is persian 24.218.13.86 (talk) 03:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Climate
Climate - the summer temperatures seem WAY off to me. I live here, and an average of 15-20 celius is laughable, unless I'm missing something fundamental? We see temperatures hit 35/40 quite regularly in the summer, and I used to live in the UK, where 15-25 was a more likely average. Apologies if I've mis-read/mis-understood the stats, but thought I'd raise the matter... 14/02/2007

The temperatures specified in the climate section do not all have units specified. The ones in autumn are believable in either Celsius or Fahrenheight, so I don't want to change them myself. (Though, it would seem they are likely in celsius).

Dhollm 13:19, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I note an average temperature of 20 in July (celcius) is supported by some research, and is consistent with high temperatures in the 30s. According to weather.msn.com, the average high in July is 27 c and the average low is 15 c. That gives an average temperature of 21 (high + low divided by 2). This number is supported by weather.com as well (look under aqmola) which shows the average temp in July as 20 or 21 for every day in the month.

Jeckyl 02:11, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification Jeckyl. Do those web sites include night time temperatures in their lows? If so, I can understand why the average appeared so low at first glance, if not, I wonder where the temperature sensor is placed for their data? Anyway, nice to see someone read my query. 27/3/2007 ChrisM (www.ChrisMerriman.com)

Population/Demographics
Finally there are demographics and population. I added this today, and we should expand it if possible. LAz17 July 9, 2007

I modified the edition of Anandks007. I removed the mention of "White". The concept of "White" is Western European concept that has not a place in former Soviet Union countries. The most ridicule thing is that Anandks007, who includes Germans in "Whites", doesn't include Tatars in so called "White", while Tatars are much more close to Eastern Slavic peoples both in terms of physical anthropology and genetics, than ethnic Germans to Eastern Slavic peoples. You cannot discern a Tatar from an ethnic Russian by appearence, while Western Europeans, Germans included, are easily discerned by apperence from Slavs. Genetically (for exemple, in terms of Y-chromosomal haplogroups), Volga Ural Tatars (Kazan and Mishär Tatars) are much more close to ethnic Russians, than ethnic Germans to ethnic Russians. If Eastern Slavic peoples are a model of "White", therefore it is Germans who are not "White", and not Tatars. - 217.172.29.4 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.172.29.4 (talk) 01:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

they speak english or not
they speak english or not —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.225.145.47 (talk) 19:48, 12 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Who? Astana citizens? Do british people speak Japanese? Almaty citizens speak kazakh and russian. Those who consider engish worth learning can speak it as well. Those who think that gaelic is useful, learn it. Aizhol (talk) 05:47, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

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Still a clear Russian speaking majority
Even if Kazakhs are already 41% of the population and Russians 40%, there is still a clear Russian majority because ethnic Ukrainians, ethnic Germans, ethnic Belorussians, Poles etc. have been assimilated to the Russian speaking majority a long time ago. So the fact is around 55% of the population are European Russophones. Tatars, being mostly Turkic and Muslim, can be assimilated more easily by the Kazakhs.--79.146.210.118 (talk) 16:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Collage
Can anyone please make a collage for the infobox?--RM (Be my friend) 19:22, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Green water boulevard
the new NATIONAL SQUARE or NATIONAL MALL of the new capital of Kazakhstan's "Astana" is the: "Green water boulevard" - the national mall of Kazakhstan capital's with government Offices and President house. פארוק (talk) 06:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Bias
I removed the mosque picture because this town's dominated by Christians, yet only a mosque picture is uploaded. It's a bias. In Europe, every article about a town has mostly all religions showed in pictures even if the Muslims make up only 2 or 10%. But this article says the Russians make up 40% and many other ethnics like Ukrainians or Germans make up a Christian majority.--Akin12255 (talk) 08:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC).


 * Technically, the mosque picture is not fully a bias. It is just a religion, a thing that people believe. Who could be sure that the uploader of that mosque picture is a Muslim? Maybe he is just a college student in New Zealand, Namibia or Ecuador. You could do other things such as:


 * Upload a church in Astana or other religious buildings
 * Change the caption
 * Worst case scenario: Leave it alone

P.S. Check your grammar

Quadruple tilde. PortalandPortal2Rocks (talk) 12:48, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Cityscape?????
I think most of the cities doesn't include "cityscape" in their contents, then so should this one. I think people should just mention it in the articles instead of making a whole heading talking about their buildings. Structures such as Bayterek, Presidential Palace, Concert Hall should have their own article. And also ironically, this obscure heading make up 25% of the whole article, that means the contents are unbalanced, which is against the rules of Wikipedia. Quadruple tilde. PortalandPortal2Rocks (talk) 12:41, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

1999 Population Ethnic Mix
I reverted the edit, as the source cited quotes the original figure used here (30% Kazakh, not 41%). My first time attempting a revert, apologies if I'm not following form correctly.

AntiSceptic (talk) 12:09, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Also realised that my revert undid the punctuation correction that followed the original stats change, so re-inserted that. AntiSceptic (talk) 12:12, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

Correct meaning of Astana in Persian
Astana (or Astaneh in Iranian accent) means "Threshold" or "gate". Not everything in Persian comes from "stan" :-)

add the satanic seccion
this town's name is all around the globe known as the satanic/illuminati city could someone elaborate on that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.253.173.73 (talk) 07:41, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Cease-Fire talks
How about Astana's role in the current cease-fire talks? MaynardClark (talk) 16:41, 23 January 2017 (UTC)

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World Expo 2017
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Here are the site of the World's fair 2017 with an special moments. Our regulation to ensure a green environment with its sustainable energy is on progress. There are some sources that connected to Expo 2017 in a former Soviet Union. ,  Please don't disturb it. KaplanAL (talk) 13:35, 23 June 2017 (Yekaterinburg time)

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History of Astana page
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Highvill
Can Highvill (Хайвилл) be mentioned in this article? 76.189.141.37 (talk) 18:21, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
 * What is Highvill, and what should be said about it? Batternut (talk) 23:32, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

I think it is a relatively new luxury neighborhood in the city, established c. 2010. 76.189.141.37 (talk) 05:28, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It might struggle to prove notability. Do you have any references? Batternut (talk) 15:34, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal
I propose to merge Nurzhol Boulevard into Astana. I think that the content in the Nurzhol Boulevard article can easily be explained in the context of Astana, and that this shouldn't cause any serious article size concerns. Pepper Beast   (talk)  19:41, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. That's like merging Unter den Linden into the Berlin article. J 1982 (talk) 15:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal 2
I propose to merge Independence Square, Astana into Astana. I think that the content in the Independence Square article can easily be explained in the context of Astana, and that this shouldn't cause any serious article size concerns. Pepper Beast   (talk)  19:41, 16 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose. That's like merging Trafalgar Square into the London article. J 1982 (talk) 15:07, 20 March 2019 (UTC)