Talk:Atchisson AA-12

In Popular Culture
An in popular culture section might be worth adding as this weapon has been featured in several Television programs such as future weapons and Infinity Ward's Modern Warfare 2.DerBarJude (talk) 04:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It should, but there are a number of WP editors who seem to have a problem with "In popular culture" segments or lists of any kind. I came here because it was featured in the film The Expendables and was the lead character's weapon of choice in  Predators.K8 fan (talk) 19:31, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Logically people looking for info on the weapon would start at the movie article and come here. People coming directly to this article are going to be interested in the technicals of the weapon.  Not a list of brief/insignificant appearances in film and TV.  So the link should be one way (from the movie entry to this entry).  Not the other way around.  72.211.191.84 (talk) 03:53, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I see no logical reason why someone interested in the weapon wouldn't want to see it in action. Fenris23 (talk) 00:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
 * This weapon has been featured in the manga series Aiki as "Fully Automated Shotgun AA-12", they don't just show someone with it, they explain its features, since the characters must defeat someone using it using martial arts, swords and jutte. This weapon is also featured in the videogame Killing Floor as the best possible shotgun for the Support Specialist perk. 95.120.37.173 (talk) 14:13, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Too short
Can anyone add more information to this page. 13Tawaazun14 74.183.202.229 (talk) 02:17, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


 * like what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.56.102.132 (talk • contribs) 23:40, September 21, 2009


 * I suppose a mention about whether any armed force or law enforcement anywhere actually uses this thing. I'm guessing no. The article just mentions it being demonstrated to the USMC five years ago, and it being fitted on weapon systems that lack wiki articles. - Alltat (talk) 19:44, 17 November 2009 (UTC)


 * There's not much else to say. The biggest news for this shotgun is that it's a selectable weapon in Modern Warfare 2.  Other than than that, not much is happening with it. 70.121.215.106 (talk) 10:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)


 * One of R. Lee Ermey's recent (2009) TV shows on military firearms demonstrated it as the latest development in the military/police shotgun. Currently (by Jan 2010) it has received favorable tests by everyone from USMC to Blackwater but does not appear to be in mass production or general issue. Naaman Brown (talk) 13:26, 17 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Shotguns have limited use in armed forces because of the limited range and heavier ammunition weight, and police agencies don't need officers carrying heavy firepower all the time, so despite being cool, it's a niche weapon. If more develops with use/sales of the weapon, we can add to the article as it occurs. --MartinezMD (talk) 02:23, 18 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The main military use of it is as an entry weapon, and would seem to have considerable application in urban warfare. K8 fan (talk) 19:34, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


 * An ENTRY weapon? A fully automatic weapon weighing in the excess of 10 pounds(meaning you really don't carry a SECOND long-arm) as an entry weapon? That's just stupid. I really don't think that would make much sense. And as for police use of this gun, that sounds more than a little scary...what use would the cops have for a fully-auto shotgun? This is really a stupid gun, when you get down to it, with no real use that cannot be done better with already existing systems. 85.229.59.77 (talk) 21:04, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Title?
If it's currently known as the Auto Assault 12, then shouldn't that be reflected in the title, rather than the old name? Or maybe the title would be best if set to "AA-12 Shotgun" since it would fit either name? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azukki (talk • contribs) 22:27, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

Picture
Why does this page not have an image of the shotgun?--Alieneater1239 (talk) 16:46, 4 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Because no one has acquired a non-copyrighted/public domain photograph of one. The ones that keep getting posted have to be removed because they are taken without the owner's permission.  Ideally someone would take a picture of one and "donate" it.MartinezMD (talk) 00:55, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Ammunition
The "History" section ("It is designed to fire three different types of 3" 12 gauge shells: Buckshot, slug, or Frag-12 rounds") and the "Cartridges" section ("The AA-12 uses many different types of cartridges....") seem contradictory. I can't clarify that; I hope someone else will.

Just my taste, but I would rather see the "Cartridges" section retitled "Ammunition." Is there any reason not to do that? Poihths (talk) 00:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)


 * I agree and made some changes.MartinezMD (talk) 01:03, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Youtube Notable?
I happened to see that a video about this weapon made the most viewed section on youtube. (Almost 3 million views in just 2 days) Is that notable enough to be worked in to the article? Ryan Vesey (talk) 23:42, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Silly
It's silly to say that it can fire 300 rounds per minute when its maximum capacity is 32 shells. I know the difference between rates and totals, but expressing it in rounds per minute is ridiculous since it can only fire contiguously for just over 6 seconds. Just quote the number as 5 rounds per second. (Or 5.00 rounds per second, if the figure really is that accurate. I doubt it.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.139.81.0 (talk) 15:39, 19 February 2013 (UTC)


 * No more so than the rate of fire of an M16 or M4(700-950 rounds/minute with a 30-round magazine) or an AKM(600 rounds/minute with the same size magazine). Even machineguns don't commonly come in larger belts than 100-200 rounds, without modification, and so have less rounds than can be fired in a minute. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.229.59.77 (talk) 21:14, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Not silly. That’s standard for auto fire rate specs. Technophant (talk) 03:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

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Military adoption
I’ve seen these being used by troops in Iraq. It was a video documentary not a video game. Was that just a trial program? I had thought it was adopted. Technophant (talk) 03:21, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

The segment was a few minutes and the marine said the sound of it put the fear into enemies that scoffed at normal m16 fire. I found a page where the maker rants about problems getting adopted Link. If this was field tested in combat I would like to see this included. --Technophant (talk) 03:48, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Sol Invictus and legal trouble
A lot has gone on with this weapon. In short: another company, Sol Invictus, bought the rights to make AA12, but one of the creators got cut out of the deal and called the ATF. The ATF discovered that all existing semi-auto guns had been made from full auto receivers, and all the semi-Auto models in the US were confiscated and destroyed except one. The two partners of the previous manufacturer are both awaiting trial on felony charges. Meanwhile, Sol Invictus can’t manufacture them until the criminal matter is settled. Worthy of an update, no? Source: interview with CEO of Sol Invictus below https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xV0AVv0oExM — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.25.164.57 (talk) 03:57, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Rate of Fire
The AA-12's fire rate is stated here at 300 RPM, with a cited source from 2005. However, newer models of this weapon have a cyclic rate of about 350-400 RPM, and CQB (shorter barrel) versions have 500-600 RPM. This can all be seen in this video.

However, this is apparently the only source there is for this figure. There's no technical manual for it, there's no news articles citing that figure - and there's not likely to be any perennial source in the near future.

So... what do I do with this information?

- Razzberry8492 (talk) 20:12, 27 August 2023 (UTC)


 * It would seem the article would need two entries for ROF, one for original version and a second line for the update. The source seems reliable enough and we could cite the video. A text source from the same company would be better. MartinezMD (talk) 21:42, 28 August 2023 (UTC)