Talk:Athens International Airport

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move to Athens International Airport. — Mets 501 (talk) 00:46, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Athens International Airport, "Eleftherios Venizelos" → Eleftherios Venizelos International Airport — Would move myself, but the talk history page shows that its already been moved twice, which I would call "controversial" and would only create a move war. I feel that the above name would be appropriate, creating a redirect at Athens International Airport. thadius856talk 06:13, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

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 * Move to Athens International Airport - the current title is the official one, but as it's a bit long and awkward it seems best to use the shortened version "Athens International Airport", which is the page title of the official aiport site in English. SteveRwanda 07:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Move to Eleftherios Venizelos International Airport - that at least incorporates the name of the airport in the article title. I reverted the last move (Athens Eleftherios Venizelos) since it was even more awkward than the existing title. DB (talk) 20:33, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Move to Athens International Airport per SteveRwanda, or stay at current title. Don't like Eleftherios Venizelos International Airport, that's neither the official name nor a common one. --Akhilleus (talk) 04:54, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose move as given. Better would be Athens International Airport (as mentioned above.). VikÞor |  Talk 19:35, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
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Update required
The following information contained in the article is no longer true.

"Athens International Airport is also among the busiest 25 European airports."

The latest data show AIA to be the 26th busiest airport in Europe. Shall we state that its among the 30 busiest airports in Europe or remove the sentence altogether? Many thanks, Kosovar (talk) 15:05, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

With 2009 data, it is now the 25th busiest airport in Europe, hence among the busiest 25: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_busiest_airports_in_Europe Skyduster (talk) 07:15, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Delta/Northwest JFK flights
Effective June 2, 2010....Delta's flight to JFK will switch aircraft. The flight will switch from a 767 to an Airbus A330, which is why the flight is listed as Northwest Airlines. Whatever code they may carry, the flight will be operating using Northwest Airlines aircraft (until certificates are one. The 2 carriers are still in the process of completing their merger. When the merger is completed (i.e. operating certificates are merged), we can then list the flight as Delta. This has been discussed to death on the Delta talk page. If you are talking company-wise, then yes they are merged but Delta and Northwest as AIRLINES have not merged. So until both DL/NW's certificate are combined into one, the flight will be listed as a Northwest Airlines flight. Regards! Snoozlepet (talk) 06:18, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I still disagree. It is really a matter of paperwork. This is still a Delta flight. In fact Delta is the one that has the rights to fly the route. And from reading the Delta/Northwest article, it seems the merger will be final in February. So what is the point in adding in a Northwest flight when it will be changed back to Delta before it even starts? That will just confuse people. I think it would much better be served by a bracket next to JFK saying "Operated by Northwest Airlines" or something similar. Greekboy (talk) 04:03, 4 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I was bold and have gone ahead and taken out the NW flight completely again. Latest info says that the operating certificates will be merged on December 31, 2009. So the NW A330 will be operating as Delta by then. No need to confuse people until the end of the month in my opinion. Greekboy (talk) 04:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * No need to jump the gun and preempt Delta either. A single OC is a stated goal for early 2010; but even Delta haven't claimed any knowledge of an exact date wither. And, for example, MSP-AMS is still selling as NW XXX through the end of the summer. Jasepl (talk) 04:59, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is selling as such, because the paperwork has not gone through yet obviously. I still maintain that it would at least be better served to have something like "(Operated by Northwest Airlines)" next to JFK, rather than adding NW to the table. (Which will almost defiantly be changed by June 1st anyway....) Greekboy (talk) 05:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if that's what you feel, then by all means bring it up for discussion at the WP:Airlines or WP:Airports project pages. The ATH page is not the place for this, since a selective change on a single article is not the way to go, when there are several destinations that DAL and NWA fly to. By the way, this has been discussed to death at those pages - and the consensus has always been to keep the entries separate until the airlines remain separate. Jasepl (talk) 05:51, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

It is worth noting that this flight isn't even bookable with a NW flight number. Even on NW's site, its a DL flight number (DL 832 and DL 833) and "Operated by Northwest Airlines". Using this information, and taking into account your argument of flights selling with NW flight numbers, it should be "Delta Operated by Northwest Airlines" like other airlines in similar situations (ex. Swiss International Air Lines operated by PrivatAir) on other airport wiki pages. Like you said, this shouldn't just be a selective change. See Newark Liberty International Airport for example. Given this new information, I have changed article to reflect upon it. Greekboy (talk) 19:59, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Airlines are still seperated at the moment, once again...this has been discussed to death at Talk:Delta_Air_Lines and the consensus is to keep NW and DL seperated. A few "DL operated by NW" flights are ATL-FRA, ATL-CDG, ATL-FCO, JFK-FCO, ATL-AMS, etc. They are all listed as "Northwest Airlines" since they are using their own aircraft and crew. Once again, bring this matter up at WP:AIRLINES/WP:AIRPORTS and do not start an edit war. Snoozlepet (talk) 03:32, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Greekboy, I already explained the rationale above. If you still disagree then by all means bring the matter up for discussion, at the appropriate place. Which is "WP:Airlines or WP:Airports project pages. The ATH page is not the place for this, since a selective change on a single article is not the way to go, when there are several destinations that DAL and NWA fly to. By the way, this has been discussed to death at those pages - and the consensus has always been to keep the entries separate until the airlines remain separate. " FYI, the Swiss example you cited above is not appropriate, since the relationship between Swiss and Privatair is that of a franchise, whilst Delta & Northwest are in the midst of a merger.Jasepl (talk) 10:12, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 * It is the same case. It should not matter what relationship the two airlines have. It is basically one airline operating the flight for another airline, like the examples above. In my view, and in light of the above evidence, you are the one making the selective change on this page using a consensus that doesn't cover this issue properly. The consensus listed was for renaming flights with NW flight numbers to "Delta Operated by Northwest Airlines". This case is a DL flight number operated by Northwest. Regardless, I will start a discussion elsewhere.Greekboy (talk) 12:25, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

More information
Here are Olympic Air pages about this airport: WhisperToMe (talk) 02:25, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
 * English - http://www.olympicair.com/Faq.aspx?a_id=650
 * Greek - http://www.olympicair.com/Faq.aspx?a_id=335

Possible errors in the destinations' list.
The following items in the updated destination list do not seem to be exact and may well need to be checked.

1. Athens to New York by Hellenic Imperial Airways (is the route operative?) 2. Will Aegean Airlines stop serving the Athens Berlin Tegel flight on January 8th? They still sell tickets for trips after this date on their website. 3. Will Easyjet be serving Madrid from Athens? No such route on their website and they plan well in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.118.63.171 (talk) 11:26, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
 * A list of airlines and destinations is rather difficult to check wether it is up to date. And it makes it hard to manage the list when there are no references at all, as it is in this case.


 * One option is to get rid of the existing list and create one from scratch. I have managed to extract a list of airlines and destinations for this winter period from the airport's website. This list is valid until Feb 24 for the european destinations, and Mar 24 for the domestic and non-european flights. A downside however, is that this list does of course not include the unscheduled charters. But those could be added as time passes.


 * I do not want to go ahead without discussing it first. So I wonder wat your opinions are. But I think the list we have now is quite out-dated (and very hard to correct the errors, as there are no references). Harbosma (talk) 11:10, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Unanimous, and a repeat of the result of the last discussed move. So I'd have to agree with BDD, the word is ridiculous. Andrewa (talk) 16:53, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

Athens International Airport & → Athens International Airport – This is ridiculous. A trip through the move logs shows a series of moves to a variety of absurd names based on the airport's website, displaying a complete ignorance of (or at least ignoring of) WP:ON. Athens International Airport is a WP:COMMONNAME that easily checks all points of WP:CRITERIA, and is the only name that has been chosen by prior consensus. None of these past moves should have occurred unilaterally. And besides, check out the airport's website and you're greeted with "Welcome to Athens International Airport" in large, prominent text. --BDD (talk) 18:18, 19 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Support as it is the normal name for the airport and nobody searching for the airport would ever type in the current made up title. MilborneOne (talk) 18:25, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. Many airports have honorary/official names like this, but it isn't WP:COMMONNAME even if accurate (if it even is accurate). In ictu oculi (talk) 01:54, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * SupportPer common name. Never seen Eleftherios Venizelos employed widely in English.--Labattblueboy (talk) 07:20, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. "Eleftherios Venizelos" sounds like an long name. --Marianian(talk) 21:18, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
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Domestic airport destinations
I suggest a collapsible table to show the airports in Greece to where you can fly, from Athens International Airport. BoldLuis (talk) 00:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)