Talk:Australian pub

Wikifying
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Difference to UK Public Houses
This statement "This set Australian pubs apart from the British model, where each pub had a specific and legally limited role to sell either beer or spirits." is inaccurate and simply not true. Whilst earlier in the 19th century there were unlicenced Gin Houses and separate Beer Houses in Britain, after the 1869 Act any premises wishing to sell alcohol had to apply for local magistrates licences that encompassed beers, wines and spirits. So by the latter half of 19th century the licensing requirements of both countries were almost identical. 21(talk) 12:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC)₮ ₡€₦₮UR¥ GR€€₦([[User talk:21stCenturyGreenstuff#top|talk]]) 12:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC)₮U₣₣ ([[User talk:21stCenturyGreenstuff#top|talk]]) 12:29, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Removing same as unreferenced. – S. Rich (talk) 19:45, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Retail Grocery Stores
"Unlike the Australian Capital Territory and some American states (e.g. California), where alcohol can be sold at retail grocery stores, it is still not the norm for alcohol to be sold in such outlets in Australia." This is not true at all, in fact almost every supermarket (in my experience as an Australian) has a liquor section which across all the supermarkets in Australia likely accounts for more liquor sales nation-wide than dedicated bottle shops. 121.220.123.119 (talk) 06:25, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Quite right, but also wrong... the major supermarkets now have associated bottle shops, often adjacent to the supermarket, such as Wesfarmers Liquorland and Woolworths Limited BWS and Dan Murphy's. But these are carefully separated from the supermarket.


 * The only places I've ever bought alcohol from an unlicensed outlet have been wine from general stores in remote and "undiscovered" holiday locations, and it's been a bit surreptitious and I suspect tolerated but quite illegal (IANAL). Andrewa (talk) 04:37, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Public bar, Saloon bar, Lounge
When I was growing up in Sydney, both city and suburban pubs commonly had three bars:


 * The public bar was always on the ground floor, and sold the cheapest drinks, and had the most relaxed dress regulations and generally no upholstery at all on what few seats there were, and a restricted range of drinks, mainly chilled draught beer and spirits.
 * The saloon bar had some slightly more stringent dress regulations, upholstered seats and higher prices for the same drinks, but probably more variety as well.
 * The lounge bar or simply lounge had the highest priced drinks, the most comfortable seats, and the strictest dress regulations. In city pubs it was often upstairs.

This must be documented somewhere in reliable sources, and would be an interesting addition to this article, if not a source of other articles. Andrewa (talk) 04:45, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

PS I was never aware of any formal gender restrictions, but then I'm male, and when I was younger no lady would have wished to enter a public bar even if invited! I'd be interested to read more about this aspect of the segregation as well. The distinction between public bar, saloon bar and lounge that I observed was based on social standing, dare I say class although that's seen as un-Australian with some justification. Andrewa (talk) 04:50, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

two up
two up is technically legal on anzac day contrary to the article.

http://www.olgr.nsw.gov.au/gaming_info_two_up.asp

Oldest pub
A good argument can be made that the Hope_and_Anchor_Tavern, which was built earlier than The Bush Inn (Tasmania), is actually the oldest operating pub in Australia. One could argue that just failing to continue operating for a few years, before resuming again, is not ground to lose the title of the oldest pub in Australia. But an equally valid argument could be made to oppose this claim. This needs to be discussed more before unsubstantiated claims about XXX being older than YYY are made. (Please debate!)

Regards,

Jkokavec (talk) 07:26, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Be specific. One of them is the oldest operating pub, the other is the longest continually operating pub. If there are no other contenders, that's pretty easily solved. The Drover&#39;s Wife (talk) 08:24, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * It seems pretty clear that the Bush Inn is Australia's oldest continuously licenced hotel. There has never been any suggestion that it is the oldest without the "continuously licenced" qualification. Nobody is saying the Bush Inn is older than the Hope and Anchor. Andreclos (talk) 09:31, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Info Wrong
Some info in the article is wrong. The owner can change it.
 * Commonwealth does have the power to invoke national public heath and quarantine laws, which covers alcohol and tobacco. See how they made tobacco companies remove their fancy labels.
 * There was substantial organized crime involving alcohol supply. The country's two worst gangsters were both women. Kate Leigh primarily supplied alcohol, and Tilly Devine supplied drugs and "business" ladies. When marijuana and cocaine were outlawed in 1927 Tilly got a lot richer. When Early closing stopped in NSW during 1955, Kate lost her fortune.
 * NSW had a referendum in 1955 to end early closing. Qld was the last state to liberalize hours in 1989. It was only the Sunday hours that were restricted to 4hrs per day.27.33.81.78 (talk) 04:33, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

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