Talk:Avro Lincoln

10,000 kg DP bomb
The exceptional load of one 10,000 kg DP bomb should be explained in the article body. What is a DP bomb? When was this exceptional load flown, and why? How far reduced was the range with this load? Binksternet (talk) 18:03, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The 22,000 lb DP Bomb was the Grand Slam bomb (DP stands for deep penetration)- Mason doesn't go into further detail about it other than "exceptionally" - possibly for trials only or as a contingency. Neither Jackson's Avro Aircraft since 1908 or Thetford mention the Grand Slam.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:25, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Dang, they would have to refuel in flight to get anywhere useful with that load. :P
 * Binksternet (talk) 19:12, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Weren't Grand Slams used on the sub pens? (Lorient?) To little effect, IIRC... :(  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  06:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)


 * The Lincoln was basically an upgraded Lancaster and as-such, it had the same carrying capacity as the Lancaster B.I (Special), i.e., the Grand Slam carrier, as-standard. Therefore the Lincoln's maximum bomb load was the 22,000lb of the Grand Slam Lancaster, and the Lincoln had the bomb release shackles (actually for a large chain) for the Grand Slam built-in to the bomb bay roof. If you have a look at the 1946 Flight article here:  you can see for yourself.


 * :::Weren't Grand Slams used on the sub pens? (Lorient?) To little effect, IIRC... :


 * I'd hardly call THAT (picture at right) "to little effect"




 * As noted, from memory. (Grt pic, BTW.)  TREKphiler   any time you're ready, Uhura  01:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Boeing Washington
The Washingtons had to be obtained due to a previous policy decision by the UK government that there would be no new piston-engined bomber bought for the RAF after the final order for Lincolns, and so it was not possible to order more Lincolns after that time. This was when the V bombers were due to be introduced. The Washingtons were procured as a stop-gap until the Valiant, Vulcan, and Victor entered service.

BTW, the Washingtons were lent to the RAF, so they got round the prohibition on buying additional piston-engined bombers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.147.13 (talk) 19:30, 7 January 2013 (UTC)


 * IP 80 it would help if you please sign your posts. Do you have a reliable reference for all this, as far as I know the Washingtons were supplied under MDAP to bridge the gap until Canberra deliveries ramped up. Nothing I have seen mentions any prohibition, the Canberra spec had been issued in 1946 to develop an unarmed jet bomber so they had no need for a "prohibition", so nothing to do with not buying any more Lincolns, more about waiting for Canberras (and also note the V-bombers programme had also started in 1946). Also the last Lincoln wasnt delivered until 1951, after the Washingtons had started to be delivered. Did I mention please sign your posts, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 20:29, 7 January 2013 (UTC)
 * How was the alleged superior range of the B-29/Boeing Washington calculated? The Wikipedia performance stats for the two aircraft do not suggest any major range advantage for the B-29.
 * And, unable to hit targets' inside the Iron Curtain'? The Lincoln's range - even under the most challenging operating condition - puts East Germany, Poland, CZ and Hungary comfortably within distance. All those places were 'inside the Iron Curtain' and all contained important Cold War targets.
 * Is this just a bit of American exceptionalism that slipped through? Is the suggestion that the B-29 could reach Moscow being hinted at? Neither the Lincoln nor the B-29 could do that.31.49.28.120 (talk) 18:59, 11 July 2022 (UTC)
 * The Washington was never used as a bomber and it's main function seems to have been LR Elint and Recon missions. It was also plagued by engine fires.Damwiki1 (talk) 07:20, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 'was never used as a bomber' ? As we were not at war at the time, that statement is basically correct, but I don't suppose that is exactly what you meant. Their training was in "air/sea firing exercises, high-level blind and radar bombing, fighter affiliation sorties, practice for and participation in the Laurence Minot (Bombing) Trophy", so I'm going to argue they were bombers.
 * Out of 87 Washington B.1s loaned to the RAF, a grand total of THREE were used by 192 sqdn for ELINT purposes. Indeed, whilst the majority of RAF Washington B.1s were returned back to the USA in 1953/54, the three ELINT machines remained in service until 1958 (RAF serials WZ966, 967 & 968) WendlingCrusader (talk) 12:03, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

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"18 aircraft were rebuilt to this standard, and were reallocated new serial numbers accordingly." - I cant see any evidence that Lincolns were re-serialed and A73-59 to A73-73 were built as GRs on the production line rather then being rebuilt. MilborneOne (talk) 15:04, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

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1945 or 1946?
The article text says: "During early 1945, the British Government immediately set about restoring the country to a peacetime stance". Surely this should be 1946? WW2 did not finish until summer 1945. 62.232.26.62 (talk) 14:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)