Talk:Ballistic plate

Trauma pad
Trauma Pads are soft material pads placed behind the SAP (soft armor plates) to lower the trauma (impatct) of the bullet being stopped by the SAP. The article calls the ceramic plates 'trauma plates'- incorrectly. Common parlance for these inserts is HAP (Hard Armor Plates) -Asim Arun —Preceding unsigned comment added by 164.100.44.194 (talk • contribs) on 11:47, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * While you are correct I'd like to point out that the mis-use of the word is widespread, it's a catch-all phrase. A more correct general usage of the term might be simply "insert plate", since not all insert plates are made from composite materials (such as "ceramic plates", but rather steel or combinations of steel and composite example). 85.131.30.81 12:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Merge
Disagree. SAPI inserts are type of ceramic plate, but they are not the same. 72.81.115.84 01:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with the mergeFlubeca (t) 19:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea Adoggz 19:37, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Disagree with merge. Not the same thing. Tmaull 02:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

y NOT? most of 'Ceramic plate ' is about SAPI or ESAPI, no mention of earlier armor plates like Vietnam's aircrew or variable armor, police armor or of materials like AL2O3, SiC, B4C. article basically sucks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.72.119.193 (talk) 00:44, 27 July 2008 (UTC)


 * SAPI should not be merged wholesale with this article—Modular Tactical Vest shouldn't be merged with ballistic vest, or M16 rifle merged with assault rifle, after all—but some of its content should be merged or added here, like the info on the mechanism of effect and the composition of the plates themselves. I think the name of the article should be changed, too. Is "ceramic plate" a term used by the industry? "Hard ballistic insert" or "ballistic vest insert" or something like that would be more descriptive, though, of course, it isn't the place of Wikipedians to invent our own terms. 68.14.133.151 (talk) 16:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I was redirected here from HELP, after my page, which addresses this very conversation, was rejected, repeatedly. I have yet to have any of the editors reference my page in a manor that shows that they have even read it. I reference this page in mine and am fine with it standing as its own entity, as a lot more detail can be covered on the subject of ceramic plates, as a type of trauma plate/ballistic panel. Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Trauma_Plate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtotin (talk • contribs) 01:14, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Level III what?
"Most ceramic plates used in the body armor industry can protect against a NIJ level III and IV with a IIIA vest supporting."

I can perhaps guess what this is referring to but since this is an encyclopedia for "general readers", not specialists, it could be more specific IMO.

Is it supposed to mean something like this:

"When supported by a IIIA vest, most ceramic plates used in the body armor industry can protect against a NIJ level III or IV bullet impact." ?? CBHA (talk) 13:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

composition?
The article fails to explain what the plates are made of, or how they are made. 'Ceramic' really isn't specific enough; it's not like one could use kitchen stoneware to equal results. ThuranX (talk) 16:14, 22 February 2009 (UTC) bende - bende mu nie

Can someone please do something here?
The ceramic plate page is very incomplete and even miss-informative. The page "trauma plate" redirects to this page leading people to think that the summary plates that are described, are all that exists as trauma plates, which is wrong. Ceramic plates are just one of many types of trauma plates. Ceramic plates can also serve as ballistic panels, as in the SAPI vest, also featured on this page. I have written a page for trauma plates, which not only takes care of this miss-information, but also references this ceramic plate page as it should be, or if anything the ceramic plate page should be merged with mine. However, my page keeps getting rejected by people who are obviously to "time crunched" to take the time to figure out what is going on and fix it. Any recommendations for who to contact to get this straightened out, would be greatly appreciated. Mtotin (talk) 03:07, 10 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You can write an article about trauma plates in general, and link to Ceramic plate as an example of it. It won't do to cut out the whole article and redirect it, because the history of the edits will not be maintained.  If all of the information in Ceramic plate should be under Trauma plate then you have to move the whole thing using the correct procedure.  ...  disco spinster   talk  03:31, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

That is what I did at first, but my page got deleted. So I overwrote the ceramic plate page, hoping I could move my article to the proper name. That's where it is stuck now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtotin (talk • contribs) 16:57, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved -- JHunterJ (talk) 11:14, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Ceramic plate → Trauma plate – The ceramic plate article has been edited and expanded to encompass all forms and types of trauma plates. Given this, the page should be renamed. If further detail is needed, specifically about ceramic plates, it can be added to the ceramic sub-section of the materials section of the new article. Mtotin (talk) 02:51, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

conductive?
Quoting this article: "Metal trauma plates are typically considered the best for reducing blunt trauma, thanks to the conductive traits of the material."

Does conductive refer to electrical conductivity or something else?

Thanks, CBHA (talk) 20:28, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Conductive, more specifically,physical/kinetic conduction, the transfer of kinetic energy from a high energy portion of a solid to low energy portions. The same as thermal and electrical conduction. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtotin (talk • contribs) 09:47, 4 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply.
 * This is remarkable. Since copper for example is highly conductive of electricity but quite malleable, whereas (some) ceramics are very strong but do not conduct electricity, I find it hard to believe that kinetic and electric conductivity are the same.  CBHA (talk) 01:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

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Photo
As you know, images can be a useful illustrative aid to understanding. A photo could improve this article. This Talk page already includes, but perhaps there's already a way to add an illustration by creating a derivative work. The Bulletproof vests category at Wikimedia Commons may contain a photo that someone with knowledge of bulletproof vests could use to mark (with arrows and/or rectangles) where trauma plate(s) are - or could be - located on a vest. Also, given US gun culture, surely there must be a Wikipedian (SWAT, civilian, whatever) who could simply photograph their own equipment? --77.173.90.33 (talk) 21:39, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

What is this page about, Trauma plates or Ballistic plates?
As the title suggests, what is the topic of this page supposed to be? The first paragraph correctly describes the form and function of a trauma plate/pad (an insert that goes behind ballistic armour to reduce blunt force trauma), but from that point on it switches to talking about hard ballistic plates incorrectly referred to as trauma plates. As the main thrust of the article appears to be the latter would it be best to rename it something more suitable and just delete/revise the first paragraph? My suggestion would be to title it something like "Ballistic insert plate". Any other/better suggestions? Optimash Prime (talk) 21:38, 9 September 2019 (UTC)


 * Yeah, this page doesn't really know what it is intended to describe. Unfortunately, "trauma plate" is common parlance, which means the inaccuracy (and the confusion) will not be corrected. WP Ludicer (talk) 00:23, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

page should be renamed "Ballistic plate" with the first paragraph/trauma plates/soft inserts in general being placed elsewhere in the article as a subsection Jorts2jants (talk) 06:37, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Citations/References and Poor quality of Article
This article seems to be lacking in the number of articles it references. Namely it only uses two (not including external links) from 1999. It does not reference the NIJ nor MIL-STD-662F Military Standard, nor does it mention more contemporary studies or articles from within the last 10 years. For reference, the ballistic vest article has 100 citations.

Additionally, the writing used could be more professional or at least of higher quality. For example: "Unique, high-end vests, like Dragon Skin, do away with traditional trauma plates and integrate interlinked, miniature trauma plates as scale armor, to significantly enhance overall ballistic rating, while maintaining flexibility." Unique and high-end are very subjective. Furthermore the ballistic rating on Dragon Skin is officially for level III use. There needs to be citations for above level III. Also, maintaining flexibility? Further explanation with citation is needed.

As such, this article is in need of rewriting and more citations as what is currently provided is almost an insult to the quality and reliability Wiki strives for. will be left in writings in need of such.

Time to get started. SkynetPR (talk) 16:07, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Sizing
Moved from aricle to talk. Seems too detailed and is unsourced.

Sourced from the SAPI page I think? If this is for SAPI plate sizes then it'd be correct. SkynetPR (talk) 17:48, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Extra Small - 1.27 kg (2.8 lb) | 184 x 292 mm (7¼ x 11½ in)
 * Small - 1.59 kg (3.5 lb) | 222 x 298 mm (8¾ x 11¾ in)
 * Medium - 1.82 kg (4.0 lb) | 241 x 318 mm (9½ x 12½ in)
 * Large - 2.09 kg (4.6 lb) | 260 x 337 mm (10⅛ x 13¼ in)
 * Extra Large 2.40 kg (5.3 lb) | 280 x 356 mm (11 x 14 in)

Proposal to move article name to "ballistic plate"
As mentioned by, this page is very very poorly named. This article is about ballistic plates (which stop rifle threats), NOT trauma plates/trauma pads (which provide protection against soft-tissue damage from backface deformation but do not provide any bullet-stopping capability). I will be making a short section on trauma plates/pads in the bulletproof vest article.

Proposing that this article be moved to "ballistic plate" which currently redirects to here. Trauma plate would then redirect to the section in the bulletproof vest article that I'm going to make. Thoughts? Jasonkwe (talk) (contribs) 19:26, 13 July 2022 (UTC)